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The Solar Deliberative: From the Community
I recently received this letter, which I shall share with you now.

An Open Letter to the Fan Community, By Melissa Xavier (JiveX)

 
I love you.  All of you.  Even you Hekatonkhire with your unflagging skepticism and dour demeanor, and Plague, whose arguments are always just biting enough to annoy me and just correct enough to make me aware that I'm wrong.   You fill my long days in the editing lab (I'm a film student / part-time editor when I'm not fighting crime, running campaigns, and posting on the forums) with entertaining and distracting, if sometimes frustrating discourse.  For the last year that I've posted on these boards I've only once or twice ever seriously found myself annoyed to the point of disinterest in the goings on of the forums. Generally, this is a good place to be.  It is a place of lively discussion, clever debate and creativity.

 
Recently, and perhaps it’s just me feeling crotchety and nostalgic for the 'good-ol-months' I've begun to wonder if some of the old gusto hasn't gone out of things.  Where once you couldn't go a day or two without someone posting New Yozi charms, a new take on this, a description of the Lotus Crusade making landfall, or a hypothetical third circle demon, now you see eight to nine threads about 'fixing' the same hypothetical problems.  This was always present, there were always people who would post new VAP or BoTBM's for your enjoyment, sometimes they were good (rarely) and sometimes they were awful, but they did not represent the majority of the content being discussed on the forums.  Those threads that are not seeking spoilers or "word of god" answers from the freelancers are discussing the relative power of two randomly selected entities with rabid fervor.  Threads that ask tentative exploratory questions ("Can you do this," "What's it like here" etc..) are met with scorn or disinterest.  Where once we had an 8 page thread on the clothing styles of creation, now we have a 23 page thread on which deathlord could kick ligier's ass.  Where once we had volumes of fan created charms, character artifacts etc being posted on the forums, now we have no fewer than 4 concurrent threads all trying to 'fix' the solar anima.  

 
Cool contests like the hill crushing hero, charm of the month, artifact of the month, etc on the wiki go ignored despite the best efforts of people like Bodhisattva who really do try to incentivize fan creativity.

 
Its not that one is right and one is wrong, but, upon reading another thread today I began to wonder if in our new found zeal for mechanical tweaking we may have let contributing to the setting and to the general, rich, and living world that is 'exalted' fall by the wayside.  I know people have their pet projects they work on when their bored, I've heard them discussed.  For instance there was a cool attempt to port elements of the Cthulu mythos (as much as I personally HATE HP Lovecraft) to the setting, there are the numerous contributions from fans like friv yeti and plague of hats and Reminiscent Oasis that I would love to see get some more attention.   I feel like these people, these profoundly creative people, don't bother with the forums anymore because they don't see them as being worthwhile.  And maybe I'm imagining this, maybe I'm using this little window I have to address people as a soapbox to give voice to a problem only I perceive, and if that's so fine.

 
The Fact remains that, to all those who do work to add new and fun content to the setting and feel like they aren't receiving enough feedback to make posting worth the hassle, I'm watching, I'm reading, and, hell, I'm even willing to help/give feedback if you like.  I'm always on the lookout for new and interesting material and, if for some reason I miss it, shoot me a PM and I'll be sure to give it a look.

 
I encourage others to similarly try to encourage and take a look at new material; I assure you whatever you have to say about it, it will at least be something new being said about something, rather than a rehashed and repeated argument about the failings of Void Avatar Prana.

 
Thanks for reading.  And I hope to enjoy all of your company for another year full of fun, argumentation, and maybe pie.

 

 
All the best,


JiveX


Posted 16 Oct 2009 2:08 PM by Bodhisattva

Comments

Poop Deck wrote re: The Solar Deliberative: From the Community
on 16 Oct 2009 5:33 PM

Nicely written letter that clearly comes from a strong passion for the game! I don't know if this means anything but I rarely read fan-made things (e.g., charms, artifacts, martial arts, etc.) However, it is not because I am not interested in them, but simply due to the fact that I am still relatively new to the game and I am trying to get through all my books before i start delving into fan-made thing.

On a side note: I do use the forums a lot, but I pretty much only use it to ask/read specific questions  I am interested in as well as to read up on spoilers. There are a few posters who I have found to have constructive things to say; the rest I completely skip over. Consequently, i have personally had only positive experiences with the forums, but that is just me.

Lunatyk wrote re: The Solar Deliberative: From the Community
on 17 Oct 2009 3:42 AM

You nailed the reasons why I stopped being active in that section of the forum quite well... most of the discussion there is just plain boring...

Maese Mateo wrote re: The Solar Deliberative: From the Community
on 17 Oct 2009 10:44 PM

I have to say that i agree with JiveX. The things she described are the reason that i have almost vanished from the forum...after a while, you get tired of 20 new threads every day that only say things like "Void Avatar Prana sucks!" or "Hey, the new Empress book is going to suck!".

The forum stop being a fountain of creativity and new and interesting stuff for the game...now is just a bunch of nerds complaining about almost every aspect of the game (and hey, i'm a nerd that complains a lot, but i really get ovehelmed for some of the guys in here).

Now, i really hope the forums get better soon and we can return to the old funny topics... I can't wait to see more custom artifacts, deathlords, exalts....everything.

Just no more complain post about the same subjects over and over.

Yes, the game has same errors. Yes, some things (which are really a little porcentage) suck. We all now this, but the game is still great and really enjoyable. So, let's stop making that kind of stupid threads and let's try to recover the old spirit.

Nice letter, JiveX, it really made me think.

Rafilar wrote re: The Solar Deliberative: From the Community
on 18 Oct 2009 9:09 PM

To be blunt, I think you're off base. The primary purpose of this board has always been to answer people's questions about how things work and clear up issues they don't understand. Everything else is a sideline.

deathmatchfm wrote re: The Solar Deliberative: From the Community
on 18 Oct 2009 9:25 PM

I have loads and loads of homebrew stashed away on my computer.  If I share it, would you actually give me meaningful replies?  

I don't think the problem is that no one tends to respond to people showing off their unique designs anymore.

deathmatchfm wrote re: The Solar Deliberative: From the Community
on 18 Oct 2009 9:31 PM

Let me rephrase and make sense.

"I think the problem is that no one responds to people who show their unique designs."

JiveX wrote re: The Solar Deliberative: From the Community
on 18 Oct 2009 9:33 PM

Rafilar, to be frank, I don't think your paying attention to what I'm saying.  I'm not talking about questions.  Questions are great.  

Repeating the same Eight or nine argument in response to fairly simple questions is.  No thread, however innocent and purely informational, ever ducks idiotic argumentation.  

There is a difference between the productive and the inane. Also, I don't want to have a public arguement about this, I know you fairly well Raf (interweb wise) if you have something to say to me, feel free to say it to me personally.

Deathmatch: I have always done my best to respond to fan content, and I will continue to do so, if you or anyone ever wants my opinion and I have missed the thread send me a PM and I'll DEFINATELY get around to it asap.

AnubisXy wrote re: The Solar Deliberative: From the Community
on 19 Oct 2009 11:50 AM

It's just a cycle. People will get big on posting their own material, and then that'll stop and people will focus on mechanics, and then after a few more weeks, you'll see more individual material.

Just give it some time, I'm sure things will get more interesting again. I'm pretty sure after Glories of the Most High and Alchemicals come out, we'll see a lot of new personal stuff that people make.

We're just in kind of a slow period right now - give it some time. ^_^

AnubisXy

Aiden wrote re: The Solar Deliberative: From the Community
on 19 Oct 2009 1:36 PM

I remember back when Infernals came out, and all anyone could talk about differentiating between different Yozi or trying to figure out themes to new charms or, latching on to a bit of earlier stuff, the possibilities behind Genesis crafting.

Now... not so much. All of these threads are dead, haven't seen any similar ones for a while. A gem pops up here and there, and some old threads persist...

Eh. Yeah. Eventually something new will come out and it'll start up again. If only North would go up on Drivethrurpg

Keichiokami wrote re: The Solar Deliberative: From the Community
on 26 Oct 2009 5:04 PM

I am with you on this Jive X. I rarely post anymore but for awhile there I got a lot of good feedback and useful criticism on my "Spirit OK" powers I made for Lunar Social Charms. But now it just seems like we all just want spoilers. :(

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