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The Corrupt a Wish Game

Edgewalker — Mon, 02 Mar 2009 23:31:23 GMT

This is always a fun game for a forum.

The rules:

1) When you post, you grant but corrupt the wish of the previous post. (in as big or small way you see fit making the wish less desireable.)

2) When you are done with corrupting the wish, make a wish.

example:
post one: "I wish I had some cake."

post two: "Granted, but the cake if full of dirt"

I'll start.

I wish I didnt have this headache right now.

Creative Thaumaturgy

Ophidimancer — Wed, 04 Mar 2009 16:14:32 GMT

This thread is where you should post your ideas for new spells that the published canon doesn't cover or perhaps variations of them. I will definitely strive to provide critique and ideas of my own.

Before you post, you might want to check out the the list of published spells first to see if a published spell might not do what you want to do already.

I believe someone has also saved all the work we had on the former incarnation of the forums. If whoever it was could volunteer a link, that would be great.

Let's make some magic!

Note: Let's keep everything constructive, ok? Criticism is good, as long as it's explained, but let's keep the pointless arguing to a minimum.

Here's links to some of my spells. I'll get more organized later and maybe try and get everyones'

Prescient Alacrity (Time ••••) - Act before your Initiative
Swift As Thought (Time •••••) - Make an extra Instant Action reflexively
Usurp Spell (Prime ••••) - Take control of another mage's spell
Inviolate Threshold (Fate ••••, Space •••) - Protect one's home from interlopers
Guardian's Eye (Time •) - Danger Sense
Isolate Ingested Substance (Life ••) - Keep ingested substance from interacting with the body
Contact High (Life ••) - Transfer ingested substances to touched target
Protean Flesh (Life •••••) - Become a blob of animate flesh
Inflict Agony (Mind •••••) - Cause terrible pain and incapacitate target
Reinforce Armor (Matter •••) - Strengthen the defensive capabilities of armor
Create Willpower (Mind (•••••) - Create Willpower points
Reverse Entropy (Fate ••) - Keep a room ordered and tidy
Node Link (Prime •••) - Relinquish an imbued item into a node

A Gathering of Wolves: a Werewolf Fan Page

I Hate All Life — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 04:22:47 GMT

This page might seem familiar to some of you. I had to take it down last year, but now it's back up and restored to better than it was before.

A Gathering of Wolves is a Forsaken page with a range of things on it, including a heretical lodge, Roach Hosts, exploration of Rage, fanfic and more. Feel free to come look and if you got feedback (positive, negative or lukewarm), lemme have it.

Luna's Aspects

Sacheverell — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:54:12 GMT

So.... has anyone been able to figure out the inspiration for her aspects? Maybe the writers can just state such? Abraxus is an obvious one but all the others, especially the ones from Glories, are new.

Not that I'm seeking a canonical answer. I understand ambiguity being good for the game, especially in this respect. But I'm curious - for the not-so-creative - to just see what archetypes or ideas they mined to get what we got.

Maybe someone else has fleshed them out?

Some fun quotes...

MKerwin — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 02:47:21 GMT

I was reading through Terry Pratchett quotes after hunting down the 'one hand clapping' one, and some of them seemed relevant to Exalted. So, here's a few things from various Discworld books that I thought I'd share. :P
Feel free to contribute to this thread by quoting things from other sources! Or other good Discworld quotes I missed, for that matter.

The mote!
"A Thaum is the basic unit of magical strength. It has been universally established as the amount of magic needed to create one small white pigeon or three normal sized billiard balls." - The Light Fantastic

Solar leadership in the First Age...
"He did of course sometimes have people horribly tortured to death, but this was considered to be perfectly acceptable behaviour for a civic ruler and generally approved of by the overhelming majority of citizens. [footnote: The overhelming majority of citizens being defined in this case as everyone not currently hanging upside down over a scorpion pit]" - Sourcery

The dangers of summoning demons (I love the last sentence of this one)
"Any wizard bright enough to survive for five minutes was also bright enough to realise that if there was any power in demonology, then it lay with the demons. Using it for your own purposes would be like trying to beat mice to death with a rattlesnake." - Eric

This seems specifically to suit the Lover Clad in Raiment of Tears, but could apply to any female Abyssal, female Deathlord, or possibly the Eye and Seven Despairs
"Messin' around with girls in thrall to Creatures from the Void never works out, take my word for it." - Moving Pictures

Relentless Lunar Fury!
"Greebo's technique was unscientific and wouldn't have stood a chance against any decent swordmanship, but on his side was the fact that it is almost impossible to develop decent swordmanship when you seem to have run into a food mixer that is biting your ear off." - Witches Abroad

Solars with low Compassion
When you can flatten entire cities at a whim, a tendency towards quiet reflection and seeing-things-from-the-other-fellow's-point- of-view is seldom necessary. - Small Gods

Some Twilights and No Moons are just thoughtful philosopher types. Doesn't mean they're useless.
"That's why it's always worth having a few philosophers around the place. One minute it's all Is Truth Beauty and Is Beauty Truth, and Does A Falling Tree in the Forest Make A Sound if There's No one There to Hear It, and then just when you think they're going to start dribbling one of 'em says, Incidentally, putting a thirty-foot parabolic reflector on a high place to shoot the rays of the sun at an enemy's ships would be a very interesting demonstration of optical principles." - Small Gods

This is relevant in a few ways...
"You can't go around building a better world for people. Only people can build a better world for people. Otherwise it's just a cage." - Witches Abroad

Help with some Psychic powers (probably broken)

deathmatchfm — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:03:50 GMT

My group is taking a short break from Exalted, but two of my players want to play some WoD while we're out. I played a few years ago, but that was just with Vampire for the most part.

They want to play mortals during WWII on the front lines. However, I intend them to become Sin-Eaters (I haven't finished the book yet) by killing them along the way.

But until then, I want to have them be physics, as per Second Sight. I remember it mentioning ealy in GtS that those who get the Bargain usually have some access to death.

There are only two players. Anyways, I decided they should both have the see/communicate with ghosts physic power (from Second Sight, don't remember exactly what it's called) and some other unique powers.

One of them is for the medic, and he has the power to grab ghosts and rip apart their corpus, and then fuse that corpus onto a human body missing the same part. So he could take apart a ghost's arm and fuse it to a man who lost his arm. In effect, this would cost him one willpower and allow him to make a Dexterity + Medicine/Occult roll to rip material from a ghost and heal someone with it, recovering anything from bashing to aggravated health levels. Probably a bit powerful, but I do want this to be somewhat of a "super healing" as compared to how supernatural healing usually goes.

The second has the power to enter a grapple with someone, and on his turn spend one willpower to instantly kill them, by ripping their soul out which immediate becomes a ghost. Said ghost fades away after a few minutes if it doesn't have sufficent reason to get an ancor. Any supernatural being that doesn't have a soul (Vampires, Werewolves, Prometheans) would be completely uneffected. Again, I want it to be a very simple "instant kill" if he can get his hands on you (keep in mind this is during WWII, so it isn't useful from 100 yards away).

But I'd like some advice on how to work some of this stuff.

Also, I would GREATLY appreciate some ideas for stories to run. It's going to start in a battlefield, but I haven't thought much besides that yet. Still reading books as it is.

My White Wolf Games Site

I Hate All Life — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 09:30:40 GMT

Yeah, this probably looks familiar to some of you guys. I had to take my page down due to third party adverts last year, but I have my own ads-free domain now and can put my stuff back up.

The overwhelming majority of The Howling Void's WWG site is devoted to oWoD material, with a smattering of nWoD and Aberrant thrown in for good measure.I cover a lot of game lines -- Vampire: the Masquerade, Kindred of the East, Werewolf: the Apocalypse, Mage: the Ascension, Wraith: the Oblivion and Demon: the Fallen. And there's a lot of material for each game. I hope you guys find some of it useful or at least enjoyable to read.

Feedback, be it positive or critical, is appreciated; the first inspires me to continue writing while the latter helps me write better.

I would like some ideas for 'leveling' up my character

Choco — Tue, 27 Oct 2009 21:55:14 GMT

So I have been in a campaign for about 3 years now and I am one of 4 people that haven't had my character die yet, so I have gotten attached to her. She's a twilight that started going into Bureaucracy but didn't get any charms (I intend to now), Sorcery (but someone else picked that up as I went into:), Archery and Resistance. I really only have one combo and it's an archery combo.

I would post everything that she has, but I want to pose a question to you. In our last session we reached the final climax of our story and it involves us saving the new Maiden of Time, getting all the memories of our past selves (even before this moment, I know that one of my past lives was Kal Pax and I have been wanting to live up to his legend) and we are going to go fight The First and Forsaken Lion, who is I think now married to the Scarlet Empress, then save creation from the attack from below and the incoming attack of the fae, and then finally, we are going to fight a former god who is now a primordial. Don't ask to know what happened and how it happened, I would have to try to recap 3 years of gaming for you if you really wanted to know. So, basically, we topped this last session off by being awarded a lot of experience that we get to use immediately. Here's how it's broken down:

1500 for Charms and Combos
1000 for Abilities
500 for Attributes and Virtues
450 for Essence and Backgrounds

So, do you really want me to post up everything about my character's stats or is this enough information to work from to at least give me some ideas here. Oh, and all books, within reason, are fair game.

Divorce

Mordwyr — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 01:55:56 GMT

What are your thoughts, opinions, and/or experience regarding divorce?

My mother's on her fourth marriage. She's Protestant, so she thinks she's not living in adultery, even though my father is still alive.

I've been married to Isabelle for 12 years now and will be with her until one of us dies.

I agree with the teachings of the CC that divorce is an abomination and that it is the root of so many spiritual, psychological, and social evils.

READ BEFORE POSTING ISSUES/QUESTIONS - Known Technical Issues and Wants

Flux — Mon, 09 Mar 2009 21:03:26 GMT

Technical Issues
In Chrome the "refresh after postiing" tick also seems to refresh all graphical content.
Currently the new forums are failing to work in Opera.
The "Release Schedule" link
Disabling outside images
Topics per page setting broken
Word wrap bizarreness
~~Report Abuse broken~~ Fixed

Wants
Page numbers/path on top and bottom
Ignore list feature
Higher signature cap than 256 characters
Spoiler tags
Seperate forum skins
NST(-3:30) time zone
More forums

Locking down the previous thread to get a better handle on the issues still facing us. If you discover something new that is broken, or something that you'd like, please post below and we'll get it on the list.

Combat Marksmanship + Gunslinger

MaskOfWinters — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 13:50:43 GMT

What do you think? How many attacks can be made with the Rapid Fire/Gunslinger combo?

Given a character with two guns, both merits (with ambidexterity) and Composure 4, would he make four or six attacks? The question is... does Rapid fire applies to both hands separately or not?

rules and dice light

Griezel — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 13:45:57 GMT

I enjoy WoD due to its light and simple rules. As a matter of fact, I ven ignore moste of those rules as well and we role dice about once or twice every game.

I was wondering, how rules- and diceroleheavy you play? And why?

Flaws of Invulnerability and You

Slime Node — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:43:47 GMT

The mote-attrition game seems to be the combat paradigm of choice, especially at mid/high essence, and I really don't like it that much. It feels like it runs counter to the flavor of the rest of the system. In theory, you could also exploit the target's flaws of invulnerability... but I've never seen this happen in a game.

Actually, I've never seen flaws of invulnerability raised in a game at all, outside of Infernals, because they have some damn big ones. Everybody else, though, just perfects everything regardless of situation, PCs and NPCs alike. Which is rather disappointing. Personally, I think using the flaws a lot would add fun thematics. Enemies trying to cut high-Compassion characters off from their friends and families, high-Valor characters rushing headlong into dangerous situations... if you're attacking a guy who seems invincible, stop attacking him and find his vulnerability, right? So far, so good.

I was actually considering running a game based around this, where seeking out and exploiting enemies' flaws of invulnerability is preferred over turtling against them (and using some other things I've never seen done before, like using social combat), but I ran into a few big problems and questions.

1. Are characters even aware of the flaws, either their own or others'? Does a high-Compassion Solar realize that he's only so strong when he's protecting his family? Does the Abyssal fighting him realize that he can make the Solar's defenses fail if he does the right thing?

2. Assuming that people are aware of flaws in general, how does one find them? Let's consider two cases here.

In the first, our Solar runs into the Abyssal, but they don't fight. The Solar has a lot of time to investigate and maybe use some social charms, see what's important to the Abyssal and get an idea what sort of Virtue scores he has... this could give him a decent idea of how to cut off his perfects, though it does entail quite a bit of work and assume both that the Solar is decked out for social-fu and that the Infernal is either willing to talk or has a network of people the Solar can exploit. Given enough time, though, the Solar could probably get a pretty solid idea of how to kill the Abyssal's perfects. I generally like this scenario altogether, since finding some way to exploit the guy's virtues is more interesting than beating on an invincible turtle for half an hour.

But now for the second case: The Solar is walking down the road and he's jumped by some Abyssal assassin he's never seen before. The Solar has no options that I'm aware of to figure out what the Abyssal's flaw is, so he either has to run away beat on his perfects until the other guy can't keep it up. On the one hand, this increases the value of surprise attacks and using tactical withdraws instead of just punching EVERYTHING to death the first time it takes up arms against you, both of which I like. I'm not so sure how much I like taking away the ability to straight-up fight people you just ran into, though. I was considering making a new charm for each combat ability that lets you realize what somebody's flaw of invulnerability is once you've seen them use a defense tied to it a certain amount of times. It seems thematically appropriate to be able to find the weaknesses in an enemy's defense by seeing them fight for long enough, too. Would doing that break anything?

3. Assuming there's some way to address the previous two points, is this even viable? Any strategy talk I've seen online largely sides toward mote attrition and ignores flaws of invulnerability, which makes me feel kind of like I'm missing something. The one big fear I have is that I'd go for this and then find out that using Zillion Flurry Combo #6 to mote tap the enemy in a few rounds is still easier and more effective anyway.

Thoughts? I'll admit that I'm still largely an ignorant n00b when it comes to Exalted mechanics, so feel free to point out anything huge that I missed

Do we ignore stupid people or can we mock them mercilessly?

Infernal Distructimo — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:23:29 GMT

i'm kind of a noob to the forums. i don't yet know all the common edicate. so, when some one is trying to argue, and is just saying stupid things to perpetuate the argument. can we mock them mercilessly? or should i just let it slide and ignore them?

Reconnecting Exalted to the World of Darkness

Corplos — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:39:17 GMT

I know that the developer have either down-played or outright thrown out this element of the Exalted saga. But I thought it was kind of fun, finding little ties here & there, disturbing revelations & drawing conclusions from what little info they gave us.

Right now, I like to connect the fall of Creation to the origin myth of the Forsaken & the fall of Atlantis for the Orders. The Exarchs are Exalts (ha!) that overthrew Heaven & remade the entirety of Creation to preserve it from the depredations of the Fair Folk, Yozis & Neverborn. Of course, the Fair Folk still manage to squeeze in to snatch people up.

Also, Prince of 100,000 Leaves is the Broken-Winged Crane, even in the far, far future of Creation, the Crane has yet to be written.

Silk Armor with holes...

Eldagusto — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 06:02:29 GMT

Sooo your wearing your cool silk armor and someone pines you to a tree with a trident... now your silken robes are covered in blood . They just heal over time or do you have to patch it? I know many rule that minor damage like this on their Artifact Armor just heals. But how do you handle it.

And how do you handle if someone has their Robe as their main clothes... do they just wash it normally?

what do you want on this Black Friday?

juliwats119 — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:55:34 GMT

Black Friday is coming soon ,what do you want to get ,guys?
some games or computer?
what is your plan and prepare for this good chance for shopping?
online or a earlybird?
i want to buy some awesome video games.i am planning to purchase some awesome ones like world of darkness .so i searched online,find a list ,but i don't know which one is really awesome ,so need your help ,game lovers?
http://blackfriday2009sale.info/index.php?keywords=game,video%20game&store=34

Intervention: The Unconquered Sun

ThaBenMan — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 03:52:10 GMT

Tonight on A&E, an all-new episode of Intervention -

shot of the UCS sitting in front of a black background, facing the camera

"My name is Sol Invictus. I'm Mightiest of the Incarnae, Scourge of the Primordials, Sire of the Solar Exalted...

... and I'm addicted to the Games of Divinity."

_________________________________________________________________

Is this in poor taste? I thought it might be kind of funny... it'd be great if someone made a video of it. Feel free to contribute and keep it going.

Hunting for pity

JimB — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:23:16 GMT

Or maybe it's a cry for help. I don't know. My sense of perspective isn't much lately.

I suffer from Type II Bipolar Disorder. It's like being manic-depressive, except there's no manic part. I just have days where I cut myself and days where I don't. I've been off my meds since August 25, when work canceled my insurance. My symptoms have been coming back.

Today's a bad one. It's hard to even move. I can't think of a way to describe it. I want to say it's like being in quicksand, or being crushed under a localized area of supergravity, but those don't work because they imply an ability to struggle against the phenomenon. The best I can do is to ask you to picture someone with laryngitis opening his mouth to try to force words past his silenced voice box and then realizing he doesn't have anything to say. Another way to put it is that I imagine this is how a ghost feels. I realize those aren't terrifically helpful descriptions.

I'm not weeping today. I'd just as soon not embarrass myself like that, but sooner or later I'm going to. I can feel it creeping up in my chest.

I'm not proud of myself for writing this. I'm aware this sounds like a pathetic plea for attention, and I guess it kind of is. But mostly I just want to try to express how this feels and have someone tell me they understand. I also don't want anyone to know that I'm weak enough to do this, which is why I'm writing it online. People can assume I'm lying, and I'll prefer that if I come out of this.

I want to tell someone how this feels, and I also don't want anyone to ever know I feel like this. No matter which option I pick, I'm betraying one of them. I'm a hypocrite. Normally I'd hate myself for that, but today I don't have any ability to feel strong emotions. I just dislike myself about as intensely as I dislike smokers. I don't like it, but I also don't care enough to do anything about it, or say anything to them, or even spend one whole second thinking about it. The emotional equivalent of an annoyed shrug.

In a couple of days I'm going to be beyond humiliated that I wrote this. I hope I can delete the thread when I feel like it.

I can still think, kind of. That's how I know this one isn't as bad as it could be. When it gets bad, I can't even think. All the voices in my head are stillborn. I don't mean literal, psychotic-person voices. I just mean an ability to formulate words and feelings and intentions, which I express as me talking to myself in my head.

I'm not sure that last thing I said was even technically a sentence, but I can't figure it out right now. Maybe I'll come back to it when I'm less stupid.

I don't really want to get better. I should, but like I said, I can't care about much right now. Getting better takes too much effort, and even if it didn't, I was better for about six years while I was on my meds. Then one thing happened and all that went away. This is the default state of me. I mustn't ever have children.

The downswings are getting longer and closer together. Sooner or later, it will kill me. That's not a statement that I intend to commit suicide, though if it gets bad enough that's statistically pretty likely to happen. I don't mind. Everyone dies of something sooner or later, and everyone has to eat a peck of mud before they die. No point complaining about it.

Yesterday when I went into work, I'd been crying for a few hours. I stopped because I was too dehydrated to keep going. One of my coworkers noticed my eyes were swollen and asked if everything was okay. I said no. She told me I needed a hug, hugged me, and told me that people out there care. Usually people being nice to me makes me feel worse, but yesterday it felt like nothing at all. That's because there may be people who care, but I'm not one of them.

I'm crazy, but I'm not stupid. I recognize that things are getting more dangerous. I just don't care. I'd rather not get in a car wreck today, but, well, shit happens. Life is a rosary strung with little miseries, and the philospher tells them with a smile.

I'm tired of feeling like this. I'm tired of being me. But there really isn't another option. Well, okay, there's one other option, but I'm not willing to go there yet, so. One way or the other, I'll stop feeling like this. Everyone does.

White Wolf suggests the Dark Ambitions thread and the What Lunars SHOULD Have Been Like thread are related to this. The forums fail the Turing test. Take that, forums.

Okay. Enough of this. Time to go to work. I wonder if I'll finish off my shift.

Arch Thaumturgical Rituals

Eldagusto — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:51:32 GMT

Okay when I brought up the idea of Thaumaturgy past 3, man hurled garbage and feces at me, some thought it interesting. Some said noooo, you only need the 3 degrees even With Traits past ten.

Whatever. So with any thaumaturgy how about a ritual one step above Essence River Channeling. An Apotheosis ritual to make one a God, Demon, or Elemental, or ex misc spirit. It would be cool for an antagonist. Say it requires something like an Exalt or being with an essence of 3 as a sacrifice, and one must already have Awakened Essence and an essence of at least 2.

I am thinking of trying this in a game for a cult.

Also what about grand thaumaturgy rituals, like the sort that requires the hearts of a Hundred Sacrifices on an Eclipse. Things to use to do things like restore youth or bid the Demon Princes to head your words.

A Really Powerfull Spell

Elyon — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:28:10 GMT

I'm trying to replicate some spells of D&D, like Time Stop, Horde of Elementals, Call Lighting, Chain Lighting and some other, but i dont know how to adap that spells to Exalted without reduce his power, please give me some ideas of how do that.

Fan made: World of Darkness: Contact

PaladinDemo — Mon, 16 Nov 2009 07:55:11 GMT

This will be an ongoing and constantly tweaking fan made deal as I research. And also. Feel free to chip in. The more the merrier. If it's been done, my bad, I wanted to make a fan made World of Darkness and my first idea was already done before.

This is a fictional depiction of UFOs and encounters with extraterrestrials. If I copied anything, persons, events, materials, etc.; my bad. This is my first fan made WOD and will tweak. There won't be a final copy unless interest dies down or a final copy is wanted.
Inspirations:
The X-Files (all the episodes based on UFOs and the Extraterrestrial story arches)
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
UFO Files/ UFO Hunters (History Channel)
The Fourth Kind
Roswell
Sources:
Wikipedia.org
Historychannel.com

We all thought we were alone in the universe. But we still have the creepy feeling when we look up at the stars, some one or some thing is looking down. The light in the sky following your car, lights shutting off when the power is on, the dread feeling that you might get taken away. You heard of other people being taken to somewhere, a ship, into a bright light; and then coming back with no memory and strange metallic implants in them.
UFO sightings are uncommon, some are Earthly like with experimental aircraft of the military; some are lights from civilian aircraft; some are natural and/or astrological; and there are truly Extraterrestrial. Craft that don't look like airplanes, helicopters or satellites, that can hover in place without a sound or dash across the skies with blazing speeds and directions that the XR-71 is put to shame.
Encounters are catagorized in seven types (refered to as kinds).
The First is the most common and documented, your basic UFO sighting.
The Second is evidence of the encounter, radiation, lost time, teporary power loss, etc.
The Thrid is a friendly contact with Extraterrestial contact; about 1/3 can be blamed on the Wizend, but most are from Extraterrestrial.
The Fourth is one of the most feared, Abduction; 1/3 to 1/2 are Wizend Abductions depending on the area, but Extraterrestrial Abductions tend to have implants in victims or are gone forever.
The Fifth is unofficial government contact and coporation, conspiracy theorists believe that the government group known as Task Force Valkyrie was form to help with Extraterrestrial policing as well as Supernatural, civilian Fifth Kind encounters are usually on the friendly side.
The Sixth is a UFO crash landing; the most famous being Roswell and Keksburg; a variation would be a UFO crash that resulted in the cause of a human (or Supernatural) death.
The Seventh is another feared one; human-Extraterrestrial hybridisation and colonization.

Most Extraterrestiral encouters are usually recorded by mortals. Mortals not only have the majority of encounters, but also have gained psychic powers, formed cults around UFOs, even been abducted. Supernatural encounters are very rare, even for Supernatural ufologists who is more than likely tracking down their own rougues rather than Extraterrestrials.
Vampire might warrent a abduction or contact to gain insight of the undead state.
Werewolves will be too dangerous to abduct, but contact wouldn't be out of the question, depending of the pack or personal attitude.
Mages might be just as interested as Extraterrestrials, humans who can conjure things like fire or lightning out of thin air or unlikely conditions can warrent investigation.
Promethean would be a risk for Extraterrestrials, most of the time it's been contact only, but the Extraterrestrials have been misidentified as the event Prometheans refer to as the Quaslim.
Changlings are met with extreme caution, Extraterrestrials can contact some Changlings, but might be hunted by Changlings for the same reasons Extraterrestrials would hunt Changlings.
Hunters of conspiracies are dangerous, especially those who can envoke divine intervention of either good or bad deities. Tier one and two Hunters are treated like any other mortal, but only with more cuation as they advance their ranks.
Sin Eaters would be treated the same as the Vampires, abduction or contact to investigate their after life.

Affecting material objects and people from within twilight

Azenogoth — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:56:55 GMT

I've seen a number of descriptions that allow a mage to see and affect objects or spirits in twilight. But can the reverse be done? Since a spirit can affect things in the material if it has a numina that allows it, can mages affect things in the material with their spells when they are in twighlight?

For instance, if my mage were to "hide" by using Ghost Gate (Death 3) or Twilight Shift (Death 4), would he be able to cast spells affecting objects in the material or zork an opponent that can't see him?

So what is this deal, now Celestials have to pay surcharges?

Eldagusto — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 00:17:18 GMT

Wait what? This is somewhere on the new Errata or something? Can someone explain this to me as if I was a small child.

nWoD player here: can you sell me on oWoD?

Macai — Sat, 24 Oct 2009 23:55:54 GMT

I've played nWoD quite a while. It's measure in years, not months, now. However, I got into WoD after nWoD already came out, so that's what I learned. I've been told that some people have been "converted" to prefer oWoD over nWoD. On the other hand, I've heard people tell me horror stories (not the kind we like) about stupid metaplot and mechanics even more broken and silly than the ones in nWoD.

What about oWoD is better, from the perspective of oWoD players, than nWoD? I'm really curious to hear what about nWoD is stupid, lame, or inferior when compared with its oWoD counterpart. If I get some good answers, I really will give some oWoD books a cover to cover read through and will try playing the game.

Now is your chance to convert an nWoD heathen! lol