deathmatchfm: Segev: I believe Morangias is saying that, as combat is dynamic, each attack is effectively a different "task." There are no "retries" without the Third Excellency, so the retry penalty is inapplicable. I disagree. If you swing your sword and he blocks with a shield, that's one attack. If next action you just swing again without using adding a single thing, and he just blocks with your shield, it's basically the same task. In my games, the above thing usually meant a retry penalty. If on the first action the player backflips over the wall and slices at his foe legs, and his foe proceeds by jumping over the attack, he misses. If next action, the player jumps backwards and activates Iron Raptor Technique, throwing his weapon, I wouldn't add in a retry penalty. If the third action he dashed in with a thrust to impale his enemy, I wouldn't add a retry penalty, even if the previous two missed. If a player used Blazing Solar Bolt, and the enemy perfects, that's on miss. If he uses Blazing Solar Bolt again, and the enemy perfects again, then the retry penalty is starting. None of my players would continually try something that was obviously failing. It's also easy to take a single guard action or aim action to reset the retry penalty. Or you could, y'know, stunt. I'm not saying that this is the way everyone should play, but that it isn't so crazy of an idea.
Segev: I believe Morangias is saying that, as combat is dynamic, each attack is effectively a different "task." There are no "retries" without the Third Excellency, so the retry penalty is inapplicable.
Thyme:If you swing your sword and he blocks with a shield, that's one attack. If next action you just swing again without using adding a single thing, and he just blocks with your shield, it's basically the same task.
Nephilpal:You're supposed to apply a measure of common sense logic to it, and the failure to include that proviso was deliberate. Given that you can perform miscellaneous actions in combat, there are absolutely times when the re-try penalty is appropriate. For example, your Twlight is trying to defuse the soulbreaker orb while his circlemates fend off the Abyssals sent to ensure it detonates.If you attack and then the battle moves on (as it is wont to do), you're not repeating the same attack. There are a host of new variables making this one different: positioning, defense, etc. Meanwhile, the Twilight really is working on this same action (disarming), so retry penalties for failure are racking up as the countdown gets closer.Make sense?