Martial Arts with odd keywords - like "Fury", "Gift" or "Dynasty"

Would it be possible to create a martial art that had charms which had these keywords? Or do you see them as something that could only be attached to the charms that are native to the Exalts who brought about those keywords? (Obviously charms with Fury or Gift would have no additional effect if you didn't know RLF or DBT respectively)...

I think a Martial Art charm with the Fury keyword or Gift Keyword would need to be a custom Lunar Hero Style charm, so only Lunars could learn it (or an Eclipse).

AnubisXy

AnubisXy:

I think a Martial Art charm with the Fury keyword or Gift Keyword would need to be a custom Lunar Hero Style charm, so only Lunars could learn it (or an Eclipse).

AnubisXy

Agreed, and even then I'd be a bit leery of it.

Which is pretty much what I thought, but I figured it was worth checking!

Hmmm... Violet Bier of Sorrows has Prayer Strip so I assume that the core Lunar Hero Charms could have a Lunar keyword. The question if it's possible outside Hero Styles.

September:

Hmmm... Violet Bier of Sorrows has Prayer Strip so I assume that the core Lunar Hero Charms could have a Lunar keyword. The question if it's possible outside Hero Styles.

Every indication would be "no, no, a thousand times no."

AnubisXy:

I think a Martial Art charm with the Fury keyword or Gift Keyword would need to be a custom Lunar Hero Style charm, so only Lunars could learn it (or an Eclipse).

Agreed.  A charm designed to play to Lunar strengths so specifically would almost certainly need to be a Lunar charm, and thus a Lunar Hero Style expansion.

It could work otherwise--see the unique synergy of Immaculate MA with the Dragon-Blooded--but I'd personally feel safer keeping Fury and Gift charms in the Lunar Tree.

Actually, I disagree with all the above.  I think it's entirely possible to create MA designed with one specific Exalt type in mind, which gives special benefits to that type when they use it.  The Fury and Gift keywords would be fine for this -- they're useless to non-Lunars.  There is nothing wrong with that.

For my rationale I cite Borgstrom:  Both the Immaculate MAs and the Sidereal sutras are examples of MA designed specifically to benefit one specific type of Exalt.  They are not metaphysical aspects of that level of MA -- not even Sidereal Sutras.  She specifically says that originally, in 1e, at least, Sidereals could make a SMA style with no Sutra if they wanted to, or one that benefits Solars or Lunars instead of Sidereals (they don't, because that would be stupid of them.)  I don't know if that's still true (things have changed since then), but the basic idea of crafting an MA style to take advantage of the abilities of a specific Exalt type still seems sound.  We know it's true, because the Sidereals have actually done it in the past.

"Dynasty", on the other hand, is different.  I see "Fury-OK" and "gift" as being acceptable because they'd just be a style made to benefit Lunars (though they would have to be carefully-balanced.)  "Dynasty", though, works for anyone, and making an MA with it (or "sorcerous" or any keyword like that) would basically be taking something from the DBs or Infernals or whoever and give it to everyone.  That's not so good.

But yes, if you want to create a style that works better with one specific Exalt type, or whatever, that's specifically allowed, and there are examples of that in the setting.  It has to be carefully-balanced (the total effect, with its benefits, still shouldn't be above CMA level for the intended users), but it's definitely allowed.

Aquillion:

For my rationale I cite Borgstrom:  Both the Immaculate MAs and the Sidereal sutras are examples of MA designed specifically to benefit one specific type of Exalt.  They are not metaphysical aspects of that level of MA -- not even Sidereal Sutras.  She specifically says that originally, in 1e,at least, Sidereals could make a SMA style with no Sutra if they wanted to, or one that benefits Solars or Lunars instead of Sidereals (they don't, because that would be stupid of them.)  I don't know if that's still true (things have changed since then), but the basic idea of crafting an MA style to take advantage of the abilities of a specific Exalt type still seems sound.  We know it's true, because the Sidereals have actually done it in the past.

True, one could specifically see the existing SMAs as having a version of the Prayer Strip keyword. They seem to work that way.

Personally, I don't like the idea much. I'm not going to lie about having any mechanical or metaphysical reasons; it's just an opinion. I like MA Styles enjoying well thought-out synergies with native Charms of particular Exalted types, I like Holden's idea of adaptive Charms, but something about building those synergies on splat-specific subsystems rubs me the wrong way.