Mass producing dragonblooded.

Maximizing Breeding is good. 

Usefully, if you have neomah involved, all you need to do is acquire semen or menstrual blood from high-Breeding DBs to blend them into your program.  You can get that by bribing the servants of members of Great Houses.

You don't even need that you make do with flesh even from a corpse.

If it weren't for Malfeas's miasma, I'm certain the Yozi would already have a massive Dragon Blooded army waiting to rush creation that was formed this way.

were originally designed to be the common foot soldier of the Exalted armies.

No, that was humans. The Terrestrials were designed to be unit leaders to the Celestials Generals. The Celestials run the war, the Terrestrials fight it and run the humans around them. The Celestials do the really big, cool stuff....the Terrestrials do everything else. Basically they are everything not upper management. So while 1 Terrestrial isn't standing up to an established Celestial [Unless he's damn lucky or packing some *serious* Artifacts], 5 of them? 10 of them? They could stand up to a Celestial. Or, to get back to their original purpose:

1 Terrestrial doesn't scare a Primordial. 10,000 Terrestrials scares anything. And unlike the others, there is no limit to the number of Terrestrials but time and ability to get freaky. And time is relative. All major Terrestrial locations have breeding programs, it's just common sense. Anyone with good sense doesn't ignore making more Terrestrials, because they are by far the best mass produced weapon in the setting.

I see indication that humans helped in the, but not on the field.  The field was for Exalted.  Armies of Dragonblooded led by Celestials.  Not Terrestrials leading Humans,  if that was the case they would of had like billions of people fighting in the war.

Eldagusto:

I see indication that humans helped in the, but not on the field.  The field was for Exalted.  Armies of Dragonblooded led by Celestials.  Not Terrestrials leading Humans,  if that was the case they would of had like billions of people fighting in the war.

Not Terrestrials leading Humans,  if that was the case they would of had like billions of people fighting in the war.

Billions of people *did* fight and die in the war. Where you been?

paradim:

Eldagusto:

I see indication that humans helped in the, but not on the field.  The field was for Exalted.  Armies of Dragonblooded led by Celestials.  Not Terrestrials leading Humans,  if that was the case they would of had like billions of people fighting in the war.

Are you suggesting that the Primordials wouldn't want as many of those tasty prayer-machines as they can possibly encourage?

Course they would, but not the Gods...

Boogaleeboo:

Not Terrestrials leading Humans,  if that was the case they would of had like billions of people fighting in the war.

Billions of people *did* fight and die in the war. Where you been?

Yeah but not humans, at least not in the same time, over the course of the war maybe.  Show me a book quote to back up your claim that Dragonblooded led billion of humans in the field of Battle.  The proof is on your burden when you post such an assumption.

Random Joe-Schlub terrestrial with no breeding mates with random Jane-schlub mortal with no terrestrial heritage, and the chance of an exalted child is 30%. So, just arrange 4 times as many pregnancies as your desired number of dragon-blooded. Assuming a male dragon-blood could impregnate two women a night (with the help of artifact viagra, of course), then 15 male DBs + 10,000 female guild slaves + 4 years > 10,000 low-breeding DBs.

If you want to be more discreet, you can use fewer women and more time, but the low exaltation rate is, generally speaking, more of a blessing than an obstacle. If they exalted 100% of the time, there would be no keeping their population under control.

Eldagusto:

Yeah but not humans, at least not in the same time, over the course of the war maybe.  Show me a book quote to back up your claim that Dragonblooded led billion of humans in the field of Battle.  The proof is on your burden when you post such an assumption.

I didn't say that. I said that billions did fight and die in the war. Including all the Primordial races, the gods, the Exalted, the vast mass of humanity[Creating an army of mortals on the spot being one of the examples of battlefield shaping from Dreams of the First Age] and various and sundry others, yeah. A whole mess of folk died in the war. It's why the Underworld was so populated from minute one. The war killed tons of folk.

My claim about the Terrestrials is that they aren't designed to be foot soldiers. Otherwise they'd just have attacks and defenses, and that's it. They are designed to carry out any plan a Celestial could have, in any capability. Be it bureaucratic, crafting, social....or yes, martial. Foot soldiers are quite a bit more disposable. The Terrestrials die, yes, and they are designed to grow their numbers the old fashioned way....but they are still mighty. Thinking of them as foot soldiers is what got the Solars killed.

Thinking of Dragon-Blooded as foot soldiers is what won the Primordial War. It was the Great Curse that got them killed.

The entire point of an Exaltation weapons system is that it is tougher that almost any other essence user.

Sure you might have 10 million mortals, 1 million Dragon-Blooded and 700 celestials in an army vs 1 primordial. All the primordial has to do is cause an environmental affect that does 3 health levels of damage and the entire mortal army just had 9,999,999 people drop dead. The last one was probably servicing one of the exalts before battle and was shielded.

If mortals were good enough to be foot soldiers in a war vs Primordials, the Terrestrial Exalted would have never been invented.

Exactly

It was the Great Curse that got them killed.

The Great Curse doesn't do shit but increase their own mental dysfunction. It can't physically kill anyone. If they hadn't looked down on everyone not a Solar, and especially the vast horde of Terrestrials, they might not have died so soon. Without widespread Terrestrial discontent, the Usurpation doesn't happen. Sidereal visions or not. The Great Curse makes the situation worse, but it didn't force the First Age to largely look at Terrestrials as "the help".

 

All the primordial has to do is cause an environmental affect that does 3 health levels of damage and the entire mortal army just had 9,999,999 people drop dead.

Unless of course you have some sort of defense that applies to your unit in combat which, gosh, the Terrestrials do. Now what? More important point to follow

If mortals were good enough to be foot soldiers in a war vs Primordials, the Terrestrial Exalted would have never been invented.

You've never actually thought about small unit tactics and the implication of top down vs bottom up warfare, have you? Needless to say every single army in history that *has* has been superior to ones that haven't. Which is why there are Celestials, Terrestials, and shit like Tiger Warrior Training. Why would the Solars ever have that if Terrestrials are intended to be the grunts? Why would they have the majority of the low Essence Charms they do which are designed to turn Extras into Heroic Mortals?

Because Heroic Mortals with Terrestrial small unit leadership and Celestial overlords are a really, really scary force. Much more so than cutting out the Heroic Mortals and replacing them with Terrestrials. A Terrestrial using a Leadership Charm that keeps a number of Heroic Mortals near him alive to fight in the face of some horror is infinitely scarier than a Terrestrial just fighting alone.

Not really buying it.

Not infinitely scarier just scarier.

Umm Tiger Warrior Training Technique works on yourself as well as Terrestrials.  Nothing in the charm says may only use on mortals to make them fierce like a tiger.