Luna's Aspects

Chestertonian:

It's Luna's nature to add the power of others to her own while still being herself.

glamourweaver:

True & she is undoubtably strengthened by Zatesh's nature.  On the other hand, his own survival as a self-willed force within her seems a distinct exception to her usual nature & unique from the other possible moons.

It's like how the Christian God has his "three person in one" quality so that he can still possess the quality of love even before creating other beings. Luna has other people inside her so she can still be seductive even if she's all alone.

Chestertonian:

It's like how the Christian God has his "three person in one" quality so that he can still possess the quality of love even before creating other beings. Luna has other people inside her so she can still be seductive even if she's all alone.

Except that Exalted's gods have better-written fluff.

Chestertonian:

glamourweaver:

True & she is undoubtably strengthened by Zatesh's nature.  On the other hand, his own survival as a self-willed force within her seems a distinct exception to her usual nature & unique from the other possible moons.

It's like how the Christian God has his "three person in one" quality so that he can still possess the quality of love even before creating other beings. Luna has other people inside her so she can still be seductive even if she's all alone.

Whaaaaat?

Luna's relationship with Zatesh is nothing like God the Father's relationship with God the Son. They're enemies for pete's sake!

Zatesh is a presence in her mind that Luna actively and viciously surpresses. To go to such an effort means that she is, to some degree, distracted. That's a bit of effort and attention that she will never be able to apply to anything else. Therefore, even if Zatesh provides her advantages, he also proves to be something of a hinderance.


Also, the Father and Son's relationship seems more like the relationship of a Primordial with its Fetich. The Fetich is produced from the Primordial as a natural state of the Primordial's existence, representing the most central principles of the Primordial's nature. (The Holy Spirit would be, in turn, another Third Circle Soul or perhaps the Son's defining Second Circle Soul, or else something that doesn't properly map to Primordial anatomy.)

The Demented One:

Except that Exalted's gods have better-written fluff.

In the English language, maybe. The original Hebrew and Aramic writings, to a native of the Hebrew culture, might have a better opinion of the scriptures than us.

Translation's a bitch.

Inugami:

Also, the Father and Son's relationship seems more like the relationship of a Primordial with its Fetich. The Fetich is produced from the Primordial as a natural state of the Primordial's existence, representing the most central principles of the Primordial's nature. (The Holy Spirit would be, in turn, another Third Circle Soul or perhaps the Son's defining Second Circle Soul, or else something that doesn't properly map to Primordial anatomy.)

I think they're more like separate joutens of one Yozi. Same being, different incarnations. In theory.

Inugami:

Zatesh is a presence in her mind that Luna actively and viciously surpresses. To go to such an effort means that she is, to some degree, distracted. That's a bit of effort and attention that she will never be able to apply to anything else. Therefore, even if Zatesh provides her advantages, he also proves to be something of a hinderance.

Well, it's not like dividing her attention is super-hard for Luna. She's better at it than any of the other Incarnae.

The Demented One:

I think they're more like separate joutens of one Yozi. Same being, different incarnations. In theory.

I don't have any Demon book. Do jouten have different minds, or are they just different limbs belonging to the same mind?

Inugami:

I don't have any Demon book. Do jouten have different minds, or are they just different limbs belonging to the same mind?

Pretty sure it's the latter. The Demon City and the Brass Dancer are both Malfeas, they're just different, co-existing bodies of his.

Then I stand by the idea that Son is like the Father's fetich.

Inugami:

original Hebrew and Aramic writings

Inugami:

Luna's relationship with Zatesh is nothing like God the Father's relationship with God the Son. They're enemies for pete's sake!

Which is part of the point. The Christian God is a being defined by his infinite love and compassion, ergo the capacity for love must be innate in his self-contained nature before the act of creation. Infinite Love for only one's self is narcissism and is an inward focused process that would've distracted from Creation. The triple aspecting of God allows that love to be an exploring outward force rather than an introspective one.

Luna is a being defined by contrast and competition... ergo the capacity for being different than others and in competing with rivals and foes must be innate in her self-contained nature separate from her place in Creation. If she were alone with nothing else in existence, she would have nothing to contrast with, and no one to compete with to drive her to adapt and change (IE: no challenge to adapt -against-). The multiple aspecting of Luna allows her to contrast against herself and challenge herself to catalyze improvement.

They both need to express themselves in multiple aspects, but for different reasons.

Inugami:

Then I stand by the idea that Son is like the Father's fetich.

You'd be wrong, in such a case. Both are Fetichs of the Holy Spirit. It is the defining force of God's Nature, the Father and the Son are representative forces. Kabbalah delves into this realm of theosophy rather extensively.

Chestertonian:

Inugami:

Zatesh is a presence in her mind that Luna actively and viciously surpresses. To go to such an effort means that she is, to some degree, distracted. That's a bit of effort and attention that she will never be able to apply to anything else. Therefore, even if Zatesh provides her advantages, he also proves to be something of a hinderance.

Well, it's not like dividing her attention is super-hard for Luna. She's better at it than any of the other Incarnae.

Which may well be precisely the advantage Zatesh gives her; he prevents her from losing focus on key touchstones of identity by providing an overwhelming consequence of losing herself while at the same time forcing her to be versatile and multitask effectively by always giving her a second thing to do while she's trying to focus.

glamourweaver:

True & she is undoubtably strengthened by Zatesh's nature.  On the other hand, his own survival as a self-willed force within her seems a distinct exception to her usual nature & unique from the other possible moons.

This is absolutely correct. Zatesh is a part of her now. For the most part, that means he shows up in her mien and her personality; sometimes she is seen carrying his scythe, and perhaps even speaking in his voice.

In Glories you see that her most powerful alternates live on inside her to the degree that she is able to engage them in subjective discourse, and if she is able to take any shape she chooses, they might do more than just kick around inside her head from time to time. Zatesh is the most forceful of all of these, and by turns you can expect that he is both a great help to Luna, but also quite troublesome to her. However, all of these separate spirits are now Luna, they belong to her and are a part of her, flow from her, so it is not so much that she has a number of extra passengers, except that her own power, dreams, and imagination are such that she might make them real within herself, or for herself, if she is not careful. You won't really see Zatesh take control of Luna...but Luna is crazy; you might see her externalize Zatesh to the point that he does.

It is 100% likely that the Maidens have approached her throne at Silver Chair and had to address one of her alternates, asking permission to speak to Luna, or that they summon the Silver Lady to form so that they might carry out business...and if it be Zatesh on the throne at the moment, then woe to the Maidens, for it would take quite a lot of grief to get him to relent.

The Sublunarian Deep of Silver Chair is sort of like a sluice for all the dream-stuff Silver Chair is pulsating into reality. It's where the stuff gets really sticky, builds up, and becomes real. Luna's essence is so heavy flowing through those cooridoors that it sometimes spins the Wyld into the shape of people, things, monsters, etc, from Luna's mind. Sometimes these things echo her most powerful alternate personalities, but again, the moon itself is dripping with Luna's essence. I designed the Sublunarain Deep to be as close to walking through the mind of Luna as I possibly could.

So to answer Inugami, you could potentially encounter and interact with Zatesh in several different ways.