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Hecaton Posted: 15 May 2009 4:36 AM
If someone under the effects of this charm's prerequisite (Dread Lord's Demeanor) spends the 3 willpower to resist for the scene or uses a perfect mental defense, do they take the penalty and the damage from trying to attack the charm user?
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Hecaton replied on 15 May 2009 1:13 PM
*bump*
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Song of Destruction replied on 15 May 2009 1:55 PM
By my reading of the charm, yes.
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Hecaton replied on 15 May 2009 5:08 PM
That's actually really, really awesome considering the charm is social, and thus you'd need a perfect social defense against it.
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Song of Destruction replied on 15 May 2009 5:14 PM
It is indeed. Even more awesome if you make it so they have to pay 3 health levels instead of willpower to resist it in the first place.
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Hecaton replied on 15 May 2009 5:17 PM
Man the Abyssal presence tree is awesome.  Scene-Long damage adder that's a social attack?  Yes please.
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Song of Destruction replied on 15 May 2009 5:24 PM
Not to mention it has a charm that can destroy a persons ablity to become exalt and turn heroic mortals back into extras.
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Quorlox replied on 15 May 2009 5:31 PM
Song of Destruction:
By my reading of the charm, yes.


I'd rule no, at least for the perfect defense.
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Song of Destruction replied on 15 May 2009 5:39 PM
Quorlox:
I'd rule no, at least for the perfect defense.


Well yeah, as long as it's a perfect mental defense. Most people also would not have a perfect mental defense comboed into their attack combo, so it's still a very good charm. Only Elusive Dream Defense (or whatever it's called, don't have my main book on me) is goning to let you attack all the time without killing yourself.
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Quorlox replied on 15 May 2009 6:10 PM
Yeah, but it's a Social Charm, so I probably wouldn't allow it to be activated during physical combat.  If a character was participating in social interactions, activated the Charm, and then entered into physical combat, the target would suffer the effects.
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Nemal replied on 15 May 2009 6:15 PM
What's this Charm do? These questions remind me a lot of my doubts on Withering Phantasmagoria, but I don't have easy access to the Abyssals book right now.
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Song of Destruction replied on 15 May 2009 6:22 PM
Quorlox:
Yeah, but it's a Social Charm, so I probably wouldn't allow it to be activated during physical combat.  If a character was participating in social interactions, activated the Charm, and then entered into physical combat, the target would suffer the effects.


Then your negating pretty much the whole point of the charm, you'd also be hurting the Magestic radiant presence with that ruling. To nemal, it an expansion off the mirror to mag rad presence. Basicly if you pass the roll to attack the abyssal or pay the willpower to ignore the MRP mirror then you take the abyssals essence in leathl dice for each attack anyways for the presumption of attacking said abyssal with the charm up.
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Hecaton replied on 15 May 2009 6:57 PM
The charm is pretty clearly meant to be activated in physical combat.  It's just that the more I look at it, forcing that kind of damage on people (that ignores armor) is a pretty powerful effect.
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ZexionAlmasy replied on 15 May 2009 9:37 PM
Heart Stopping Mien is not able to be used in physical combat but in Social combat... it has the Social tag ya know.
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Hecaton replied on 15 May 2009 9:56 PM
The only thing that might imply is that it would be used in long ticks, but since it takes no time to activate, it merely indicates that it is a social attack and not a physical one.
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