Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/bonus_robs_transformers_2_faqs.php?page=1   This is a great sum up of the "plot" of the movie- but beware- there are alot of spoilers...

Hivemind:

Did it really try to fill in logic holes? I felt like it was made up as it went along. The plot was very silly- I easily think that the plot of this movie is compareable to the TV show episodes.

You need to go back and watch the old cartoons, yes they attempted to fill in logic holes, they didn't continuously make the transformers changing heights and density.  They actually attempting to make the transformers have logic reasons to do the jobs they were getting

Hivemind:

It's just I wanted Ironhide charging in to battle making fun of the decepticons he was fighting- I wanted Sideswipe and Sunstreaker to be kicking ass all over the screen being arrogant and showoffs- Wanted Megatron to be this big military leader but has a bunch of chumps working for him so he can't get his plans to work. Starscream to be always trying to undermine him and taking over at the first sign of trouble

That happened it BOTH movies Ironhide calling decepticons punk asses, it was cracking me up.  Megatron always had chumps working for him... which is why he never won.  And Starcream was still a bitch

Hivemind:

I get this Devastaor that is a "tiger"? that sucks things up and has balls?.

That was a joke.  He didn't have balls, the dude just made a comment that stuck.

I DARE you to watch 5 episodes of the old transformers and come back and tell me that it's not childish with huge swiss cheese holes in the plot with silly ass dialogue 

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=transformers+episodes+1&search_type=&aq=1&oq=transformers+episodes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g2YW1EKb6UU

That's odd, these links are dead.. oh well, copy and paste them

There's a few things though.

I have them all on DVD- I am not quite sure what you think is childish and stupid about a cartoon for 10 year olds and a 100 million dollar major motion picture's plot that makes it different. What was childish and stupid about the first episodes? The little mini movie- they show them on Cybertron- they crash on earth- the decepticons find that there are valuable resourses here to pillage from the weak humans- the Autobots find out about it they fight and stop the decepticons- who regroup and try again later. No fart jokes- no testicles- The characters all have a reason to show up- at least for a plot device(example- trailbreaker- always shows up when they need a force field) I am not saying it is brilliant writing but it is also 20 years old this movie was written a year ago and it is crap?   http://www.toplessrobot.com/2009/06/tr_review_transformers_revenge_of_the_fallen.php#more

I 100% agree with this person's interpretation. I understand why I didn't like this movie now- If YOU liked it- that's cool it will just be like Twilight- or Harry Potter or other movies people go on and on about and I am like- did I see the same movie? No big deal.


Also if you think that it was just some coinensidence(sp) that devastator had balls? watch again when all the appliances in the witwickey home come to life- there is one that shoot everything with it's "penis" that is sticking out from it's crotch. Come on-

Yeah Devestator had balls... technically, they happened to be balls where the crotch was... a joke, and obvious joke, meant to be funny (I laughed).  Though they had no mechanical function.  I'm sure devestator doesn't have sex, and logically speaking he needed a place to hide though huge wreaking balls, but he couldn't make them magically disappear.

To Majunior and Hivemind - You both seem to give the old cartoon an infinite amount of leeway but when the movie does it they're fucking it up.  I don't think the movie could ever be as good as you two remembered the show, not a knock, this is what I'm sensing.  I just don't think transformers did anything other movies that has taken libertys has done to make the movie as a whole make sense in conjuction to logic, I don't think very many movies are spot on reproductions.  Other then the watchmen and maybe 300, though people find holes in that too for no other reason then it wasn't what it was exactly. 

I have a way of disconnected things in order to preserve my memories.  I look at every new media as it's own thing.  I'm not letting Matrix 3 taint my memories of Matrix 1.  The same as this should be it's own movie.  That had that tongue and cheek Evil Dead humor.  If you hated it hate it, but please don't hate it because it wasn't the old show it's just not fair to connect two different mediums.

Innerlight:

Hivemind:

I get this Devastaor that is a "tiger"? that sucks things up and has balls?.

That was a joke.  He didn't have balls, the dude just made a comment that stuck.

Looks like balls to me. They were hanging down under his crotch area and there were 2 of them..

And he wasn't a Tiger, he was apelike.  The scene wasn't necessary but it added an element of humor that the target audience would find amusing.  A 35+ year old fan of the G1 series isn't the target audience for this movie.  Adolescent males are, and they generally like sophmoric humor.  In my defense I did literally groan at that particular scene, though I did laugh at the ridiculousness of it also.

So - if these movies that keep coming out aren't for the original fans then who are they for? I don't see a Lone Ranger movie ( my grandfather liked him) coming out for me and not him?


The cartoon was a cartoon- just like the hulk and ironman are comics- Have you read a hulk or Ironman comic? they are pretty much crap- have never been popular saleswise. That being said I loved both of those movies- they had humor in both of them and they didn't have horrible plots- but they were a strech...

In the end I just don't like the fact that I was waitong for a Transformers movie- and - they don't look like TF- they sure don't act like TF- the story isn't TF- and with very few exceptions it isn't TF- that is why I am upset at this sad movie- as is pretty much any other place that has a review of it-  If you went to see Ironman and it was about this old inventor that was dying and downloaded himself into an android and decided to fight crime- and was a giant robot that was black and purple- wouldn't you be upset? Sure some people that don't know anything about Ironman would like it- but that doesn't make it good.- If you liked it fine- But you are going to have a hard time defending any aspect of this movie to me- not that you have to really- opinions are opinions...

Also- thnx for clarifying- I know he didn't actually have BALLS- okay- but that doesn't mean that that was funny or nessessary-

Sorry- I didn't get the APE-LIKE movments- hahah you say that like that makes it not totally stupid.

Guys if you liked it- thats fine. Apparently alot of people went to see it-

For Bay to say that he wanted to have a everything to have a logical reason to be on the robot form of the transformer and not be fluff to just materialize, such as guns and energy swords and shields and whatnot, then to have an apelike mockery of Devastator show up with twin wrecking balls dangling from the robot's crotch area when NONE OF THE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES at all that make up Devastator in this movie had even one, much less two, wrecking balls, even Hightower (the crane) had a hook appendage, which while in the contruction vehicles can attach to a wrecking ball, there wasn't one attached precombining, is having something magically appear for no good reason, but simply making a stupid joke.  How exactly is that less of a stretch than having the Transformers being able to change thier size and density, again?

The thing is I was a big transformers fan and the tiny alterations they made didn't bother me.

I don't mind when you say you didn't like the humor, or you didn't like the story, or the characters, but I do get slightly perturbed when people don't like something because it's not something else.  I think Constantine was way off the mark from the hell blazer comics, but I thought that was a descent movie.  I'm a fan of hell blazer, but you have to distance yourself enough from the movie to enjoy it or it will just be an exercise in making sure every little detail is like you remembered it.  And not just digging the movie you're watching.  Basically I'm just saying people should hate it because they didn't like it not because it wasn't like something else.

As was I, and still am.

And it isn't that I, and in my opinion some of the others here, don't like it that things aren't exactly like we remember them.  It is that things just don't fit and in many cases, make less sense than they did in the old G1 series.  I can understand why they changed Bumblebee from being a VW Bug, VW will not allow thier products portrayed in a warlike movie, I get it.  But a Camero?  VW Bugs were not popular to teens back in the eighties, they were affordable and sturdy vehicles so kids got them so they'd have a ride.  Back then, there were VW Bugs all over the place, perfect cover for a robotic shapeshifter to blend in.  If they wanted to use a Camero or other hot sports car, all they'd have had to do is change the name from Bumblebee to Sunstreaker, and the problem is solved.  The car fits Sunstreaker's personality infinatly more than it does Bumblebee's.  Prime was done very well, he is still a truck, and it still fits his personality.  Ironhide as well, I miss the van, but the Chevy Pickup suits him.  Devastator was okay, but the "balls" thing was pointless and stupid as was the fact that he choked on Skids, gimme a break, he's a superweapon from Cybertron with a Cybertronian grinding maw made for destroying Cybertronian metal yet he chokes on a rather small Autobot from Cybertron?

I'm not nitpicking, I am grading this on Bay's own stated criteria for things needing to make sense, which they do not.

Everything you mentioned were nitpicks that someone who was a fan prior would nitpick.  If you weren't a fan would it matter what they turned into?

Logically speaking Megatron as a miniature gun wouldn't have made sense, soundwave as a tape deck then a giant robot would have needed explaining.  Why did they change bumblee bee?... I have absolutely no idea... other then Bumblee bee was lame in the old cartoon, now he wasn't.

I can guarantee you people who were not fans previous didn't site this things as a reason they'd have bias against the movie.  Devastator having balls, that may not appeal to someone who wasn't a fan because it was a silly joke, and some people don't like crude jokes. 

I just think in the end people who were fans previous should add up all the things they didn't like about the movie and see if these were things that they didn't like because they remember it being different.. or better in some peoples cases, though I can't think of character they made horrible compared to the cartoon.

I remember break dancing Rumble and Frenzy, and Optimus prime referencing pop culture, saying some shit like jive turkey or some shit like that.  It was really stupid back then

Mmmm. I love the smell of nerdrage in the evening. =)

I thought the movie was fine (but, then again, I thought Phantom Menace was fine too, just a little slow).

I liked Darth Maul, and the last fight, though I sort of yawned through the rest of the movie... though it didn't have anything to do with me liking the old one better.