Exalted

Re: Heart-Stopping Mien

RadRyan122 — Fri, 03 Jul 2009 03:13:16 GMT

That's not what the social tag means. It means that it has an effect with the Social combat system, if I remember correctly, not that it can't interact with the regular combat system. More specifically, Majestic Radiant Presence specifies that it works on "any physical or social attack made against the Solar" so I'd say that yes, it's intended to work in regular combat as well.

Re: Heart-Stopping Mien

Hecaton — Sat, 16 May 2009 17:04:59 GMT

I see Quorlox's point, because the wording is a little fuzzy, but i think that what happens is this:

1. Abyssal Activates Dread Lord's Demeanor.

2. Other character wants to attack him

3. Character needs to spend 3 wp or use a perfect defense to negate the effects of the charm entirely for the scene.

4. if he does not, character must succeed on the roll the abyssal chose when he purchased the charm to make the attack. If he fails, he cannot attack, unless he spends the willpower for the scene.

5. If he succeeds on the resistance roll, and the abyssal has heart-stopping mien up, the character takes a -2 internal penalty on the attack roll and takes some damage. Note that if they spend the wp they never get to this step.

The wording is weird though '...who can bring themselves to attack the Abyssal' kind of implies that it works when you spend the wp to resist, but i dont think that was the intent.

Re: Heart-Stopping Mien

ZexionAlmasy — Sat, 16 May 2009 10:58:51 GMT

Quorlox:
ZexionAlmasy:
Then as it is just enhancing the previous charm of which says its effects can be ignored by spending 3 willpower, spending 3 willpower will kill this effect.

The question arises from the wording. It states that spending Willpower allows a character to resist it for a whole scene, and that the damage is inflicted on anybody who resists the Charms effects IIRC.

So are you saying it is legal to make effects with no defense that cause penalties and damage? Rereading the charm it is inflicted for those who attack the Abyssal, not resist.

Re: Heart-Stopping Mien

Quorlox — Sat, 16 May 2009 07:48:02 GMT

ZexionAlmasy:
Then as it is just enhancing the previous charm of which says its effects can be ignored by spending 3 willpower, spending 3 willpower will kill this effect.

The question arises from the wording. It states that spending Willpower allows a character to resist it for a whole scene, and that the damage is inflicted on anybody who resists the Charms effects IIRC.

Re: Heart-Stopping Mien

Plague of Hats — Sat, 16 May 2009 04:27:53 GMT

Hecaton:
It really depends on who is allowed to stunt. When I run games, I don't even allow most non-PC Exalts to do so, but it varies from ST to ST.

Even if everyone gets to stunt as much as the PCs (which is Counter-Indicated by the Operations Manual), that's still three two-die stunts that a character has to perform to break even.

Re: Heart-Stopping Mien

Hecaton — Sat, 16 May 2009 04:23:48 GMT

It really depends on who is allowed to stunt. When I run games, I don't even allow most non-PC Exalts to do so, but it varies from ST to ST.

Re: Heart-Stopping Mien

Plague of Hats — Sat, 16 May 2009 04:04:17 GMT

Hecaton:
Plague of Hats:
Yes.

See, that's what I thought. Still nice to force the 3 points of damage with that other charm, but...

Even without Killing Words Technique or Dread Lord's Demeanor, don't underestimate the power of forcing an opponent to spend three Willpower.

Re: Heart-Stopping Mien

Hecaton — Sat, 16 May 2009 04:02:54 GMT

Plague of Hats:
Yes.

See, that's what I thought. Still nice to force the 3 points of damage with that other charm, but...

Re: Heart-Stopping Mien

Plague of Hats — Sat, 16 May 2009 02:08:40 GMT

ZexionAlmasy:
Then as it is just enhancing the previous charm of which says its effects can be ignored by spending 3 willpower, spending 3 willpower will kill this effect.

Yes.

Re: Heart-Stopping Mien

ZexionAlmasy — Sat, 16 May 2009 02:06:33 GMT

Then as it is just enhancing the previous charm of which says its effects can be ignored by spending 3 willpower, spending 3 willpower will kill this effect.

Re: Heart-Stopping Mien

Plague of Hats — Sat, 16 May 2009 02:00:28 GMT

The Social keyword does not restrict use of a Charm absolutely, it only denotes a potential social function. The actual effect of a Charm may restrict it entirely to social combat.

Re: Heart-Stopping Mien

Hecaton — Sat, 16 May 2009 01:56:14 GMT

The only thing that might imply is that it would be used in long ticks, but since it takes no time to activate, it merely indicates that it is a social attack and not a physical one.

Re: Heart-Stopping Mien

ZexionAlmasy — Sat, 16 May 2009 01:37:21 GMT

Heart Stopping Mien is not able to be used in physical combat but in Social combat... it has the Social tag ya know.

Re: Heart-Stopping Mien

Hecaton — Fri, 15 May 2009 22:57:11 GMT

The charm is pretty clearly meant to be activated in physical combat. It's just that the more I look at it, forcing that kind of damage on people (that ignores armor) is a pretty powerful effect.

Re: Heart-Stopping Mien

Song of Destruction — Fri, 15 May 2009 22:22:58 GMT

Quorlox:
Yeah, but it's a Social Charm, so I probably wouldn't allow it to be activated during physical combat. If a character was participating in social interactions, activated the Charm, and then entered into physical combat, the target would suffer the effects.

Then your negating pretty much the whole point of the charm, you'd also be hurting the Magestic radiant presence with that ruling. To nemal, it an expansion off the mirror to mag rad presence. Basicly if you pass the roll to attack the abyssal or pay the willpower to ignore the MRP mirror then you take the abyssals essence in leathl dice for each attack anyways for the presumption of attacking said abyssal with the charm up.