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I've got the Geist book in my hands...
DimCarcosa
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:50:22 PM(UTC)
and man is it a pretty book. Reading over it now, mostly skimming here and there trying to answer questions I had about the game and how certain things work, but overall very impressed.  If anyone has any questions they're very curious about post them here and I'll try and answer them later tonight.







Sgt Jacobs
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 5:51:56 PM(UTC)
You lucky bastard. Unless IGUK pull their finger out I won't be getting mine till September 30th.
kurasu
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:19:01 PM(UTC)

Please tell what the ad in the back of the book is.
"Pain is weakness leaving the body"- said by a wrestling coach of mine
Lipschitz
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:27:18 PM(UTC)
"kurasu" wrote:
Please tell what the ad in the back of the book is.




This.
Natedogg5257
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 6:29:08 PM(UTC)
How big is the section on the underworld or, if you have read it, is there a good amount of info so that it wouldn't be difficult to use often in a game?
Lord of Badlands
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 7:42:45 PM(UTC)

"Lipschitz" wrote:
"kurasu" wrote:
Please tell what the ad in the back of the book is.




This.

What?

Mr Gone
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:13:17 PM(UTC)

"Lord of Badlands" wrote:
"Lipschitz" wrote:
"kurasu" wrote:
Please tell what the ad in the back of the book is.




This.

What?






What the ad is. He wants to know.



As do I.
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Xaphan
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:22:21 PM(UTC)

I'm already excited enough about this book (Seriously...I haven't been this excited about an nwod release since the release of nwod)



You, Mr. "I have the book in my hands" have officially made me a jealous man.

Cleverest of Things
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:27:53 PM(UTC)
He stated on another thread (I believe) that the preview says something like "Everything begins in darkness", with the words becoming a darker color as they went on.  As I said on that thread, it makes me think Demon.



I have a question.  Do Sin-Eaters have a specific "look"?  Do they tend to look totally human, with normal fashions?  Gothic extremes?  All of the above, depending on Sin-Eater? 
Xaphan
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:31:51 PM(UTC)

"Cleverest of Things" wrote:
As I said on that thread, it makes me think Demon.




But wasn't WoD: Inferno basically a one shot of Demon?

Cleverest of Things
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:34:46 PM(UTC)
"Xaphan" wrote:
But wasn't WoD: Inferno basically a one shot of Demon?




In the same way that the WoD section on Ghosts was a one-shot of Geist.  I doubt we'll be playing demons straight out of Inferno.  More likely, there will be some sort of humanizing aspect to them, lots of mystery in their exact origins, and other fuzzy details and social information that arises.  Thus, different fluff, different thematics, different systems, different morality, etc.
Xaphan
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:40:36 PM(UTC)

I'm actually glad you mentioned that. Strangely, I always envisioned Geist as an nwod representation of the short lived Mummy line from a few years back as opposed to a reimagined Wraith.



Point being, White Wolf has shown an ingenious method of dangling the obvious reboot in front of you only to later reveal it to be a reboot of a more obscure line.
Xaphan
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:45:01 PM(UTC)

As a side note (or a more literary note)



If it claims all began in darkness, then, given White Wolf's absurd proclivities to understanding common myth, I'd doubt they'd negate the fact that Lucifer in fact was light.



So then who began in Darkness? Angels.

Mr Gone
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:48:07 PM(UTC)

BTW, just because I have to plug it, I released the sheet I made for the Origins Demo, which looks alot like the sheet from the book. My final versions may be different tho.



But, I have a thread for it, feel free to head over and check it out. [:D]

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DimCarcosa
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:47:10 PM(UTC)


"Natedogg5257" wrote:
How big is the section on the underworld or, if you have read it, is there a good amount of info so that it wouldn't be difficult to use often in a game?




About 30 pages or so, haven't really gotten that far yet (it's the first appendix in the book, so very near the end) but just quickly skimming over it it seems about as comprehensive as say stuff on the Shadow was in Forsaken, maybe even a bit more detailed than that (again, that's my opinion at a quick glance).

Chaka
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:49:10 PM(UTC)

What's the Z-splat? The bloodline/lodge/entitlement/etc. equivalent?

DimCarcosa
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:51:14 PM(UTC)
"Cleverest of Things" wrote:
He stated on another thread (I believe) that the preview says something like "Everything begins in darkness", with the words becoming a darker color as they went on.  As I said on that thread, it makes me think Demon.




Correct. "All Things Are Born of Darkness" fading out towards the end of the sentence. That's all.



"Cleverest of Things" wrote:
I have a question.  Do Sin-Eaters have a specific "look"?  Do they tend to look totally human, with normal fashions?  Gothic extremes?  All of the above, depending on Sin-Eater?




Not specifically. The ones pictured in the book run the gambit of average looking people for the World of Darkness. Mostly modern looking, some touches of gothic fashion/style but not overly so.
DimCarcosa
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 9:54:38 PM(UTC)
"Chaka" wrote:
What's the Z-splat? The bloodline/lodge/entitlement/etc. equivalent?




There is not one. First thing I went looking for, no such thing to be found.



Krewes however are a bit more involved than I expected. They have three tiers, similar to hunters, and earning experience which can be spent towards merits that benefit the krewe.
Shadowfrost68
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:22:12 PM(UTC)
"DimCarcosa" wrote:
Krewes however are a bit more involved than I expected. They have three tiers, similar to hunters, and earning experience which can be spent towards merits that benefit the krewe.




Could you tell us about some of the bigger Krewes?
DimCarcosa
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:29:06 PM(UTC)
"DimCarcosa" wrote:
"Cleverest of Things" wrote:
He stated on another thread (I believe) that the preview says something like "Everything begins in darkness", with the words becoming a darker color as they went on.  As I said on that thread, it makes me think Demon.




Correct. "All Things Are Born of Darkness" fading out towards the end of the sentence. That's all.





Picture of the ad in question:



http://twitpic.com/dop1j
MILLANDSON
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:33:00 PM(UTC)

So yea, I asked in the other thread, but thought I'd ask here...



Is the game actually released? Or did you get an early (released before the release date) copy?



Also, which country are you in? So I know whether to expect to see the book on my doorstep tomorrow or not.

kurasu
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 10:57:36 PM(UTC)

"DimCarcosa" wrote:
"DimCarcosa" wrote:
"Cleverest of Things" wrote:
He stated on another thread (I believe) that the preview says something like "Everything begins in darkness", with the words becoming a darker color as they went on.  As I said on that thread, it makes me think Demon.


Correct. "All Things Are Born of Darkness" fading out towards the end of the sentence. That's all.


Picture of the ad in question:

http://twitpic.com/dop1j
This is the least informative back page ad they've done yet. In Promethian, it just said Changeling. In Changeling, it said Light in Shadow and had the word search, which said Hunter in it. In Hunter, it had the picture with the word Geist on it. Now we get this ad and it doesn't really tell us anything.
"Pain is weakness leaving the body"- said by a wrestling coach of mine
Mr Gone
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:08:13 PM(UTC)

"kurasu" wrote:
"DimCarcosa" wrote:
"DimCarcosa" wrote:
"Cleverest of Things" wrote:
He stated on another thread (I believe) that the preview says something like "Everything begins in darkness", with the words becoming a darker color as they went on.  As I said on that thread, it makes me think Demon.




Correct. "All Things Are Born of Darkness" fading out towards the end of the sentence. That's all.





Picture of the ad in question:



http://twitpic.com/dop1j
This is the least informative back page ad they've done yet. In Promethian, it just said Changeling. In Changeling, it said Light in Shadow and had the word search, which said Hunter in it. In Hunter, it had the picture with the word Geist on it. Now we get this ad and it doesn't really tell us anything.





I agree...that doesn't tell us a single thing. Or at least it seems that way. I don't see how you could read anything more into that...
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Baudelaire
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:11:49 PM(UTC)
"Mr Gone" wrote:
I agree...that doesn't tell us a single thing. Or at least it seems that way. I don't see how you could read anything more into that...




I wish I had prepared Detect Sarcasm today. I can't tell whether or not you're dropping a hint of some sort.
Cleverest of Things
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:29:04 PM(UTC)
I think it would be interesting if this is a version of Demon in which the characters are unsure of exactly what it means to be a demon.  I think they will generally all agree that they are some ancient horrors that come from the time before creation, before reality and earth came into the picture.. but does that mean they are the losing side of a war in Heaven, whether between Giant and God or Angel and Rebel?  Does that mean they are unknowable dark things from before time?  It would be very interesting to see the open-minded mythos/toolboxing of the NWoD take on Demon.
Chaka
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:31:16 PM(UTC)

Whilst all this speculation is lovely, I for one would like to hear more about the actual contents of the book. :P



Also, does anyone know when the pdf is being released?

Freshman
Wednesday, August 12, 2009 11:41:11 PM(UTC)

What about expanded info on the Geists themselves?  How they communicate with their Sin-eaters, what they look like, their goals or the nature of the bond.



Also, what exactly is the Twilight Network?

DimCarcosa
Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:32:51 AM(UTC)
"Shadowfrost68" wrote:


Could you tell us about some of the bigger Krewes?




Here's a break down of three types:



Tier 1 are Cults - these are pretty much your smaller city-level krewe with 3-10 members usually (a krewe requires 3 members minimum). Fairly informal and look at more like street gangs and the like.



Tier 2 are Factions - faction krewes span one or more cities are have several dozen members and are more formal and have more internal hierarchy, etc.



Tier 3 are Conspiracies - which have over 100 Sin-Eaters across two or more continents. Conspiracy krewes are pretty much legends and myths and there aren't any around any longer as far as any one is convinced. There are a few example dead conspiracies.



Depending on the Tier of your krewe you can get access to automatic benefits for being part of that tier krewe, access to special merits that can only be purchased by Bound in that size crew, or opt-in benefits that you can choose to take but usually have a drawback. Benefits are also based on whether you participated in the orginal binding ceremony (founding benefits), underwent the ceremony later (supernatural benefits) or are just in good standing with the krewe (temporal benefits).



Krewes are bound together by a Krewe Binding ceremony and all krewes an ethos that guides it and it is more than just ideals it actually fomrs a bond between the krewe and the Underworld. This is broken down into ban (what you shouldn't do), duty (what you must do) and destiny (prophecy about what following the ethos may lead to for the krewe).



There is also a new xp category called Krewe Experience which you use to buy benefits for being a krewe. You earn it by following your ethos, studying the nature of death and the Underworld, being loyal to your krewe, etc.



Overall the whole feel of krewes is way more secret society than I was originally picking up on in any material we'd gotten previously.
Shadowfrost68
Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:34:34 AM(UTC)
Maybe the way that it looks different from certain angles thing is a hint...if possible, could you try examining the page under different kinds of light/from different angles?
DimCarcosa
Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:37:28 AM(UTC)
"Freshman" wrote:
Also, what exactly is the Twilight Network?




It's basically the means by which the Sin-Eaters communicate and keep abreast of what is going on in the world around them. They use it to pass on info, call gatherings, etc.  It plays a lot into the Charon ferrying the dead, and those who help upkeep the network are known as Charonites. There are several pages committed to it and pretty interesting overall.
DimCarcosa
Thursday, August 13, 2009 12:41:50 AM(UTC)
"Shadowfrost68" wrote:
Maybe the way that it looks different from certain angles thing is a hint...if possible, could you try examining the page under different kinds of light/from different angles?




Thought of that, but no real luck trying it. The page before it is an add for all the different game lines with lots of images and what not on it, so it isn't particularly see through or anything but held up to a bright light all you see through it is the backwards add nothing special. Really it is just that bland. If there was anything more too it, trust me, I'd be sharing.



In case anyone is wondering it is at an angle like that, that wasn't a bad camera shot or anything. If you've ever see the logo for the Lost tv series where it is all angled and faded slightly at the edges, you have the exact image in mind of what this thing looks like from where I'm sitting.

Kyan
Thursday, August 13, 2009 2:54:45 AM(UTC)
Any chance in hell the ad is an anagram, or something? ._.

Veritomancer2
Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:16:22 AM(UTC)
So tell us more about Synergy and it's mechanical effects. What, for example are sins against Synergy?

Cypher Grey
Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:24:10 AM(UTC)
Tried looking at that text in the dark? Maybe glow-in-the-dark ink?



Makes more sense than looking at it under bright light, considering the text ;)
Edward T. Head
Thursday, August 13, 2009 3:27:35 AM(UTC)
"DimCarcosa" wrote:
If you've ever see the logo for the Lost tv series where it is all angled and faded slightly at the edges, you have the exact image in mind of what this thing looks like from where I'm sitting.




Maybe that's next game line: "Island: The WTF is Going On?"
and you shall welcome death
Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:08:57 AM(UTC)
"Mr Gone" wrote:
"kurasu" wrote:
"DimCarcosa" wrote:
"DimCarcosa" wrote:
"Cleverest of Things" wrote:
He stated on another thread (I believe) that the preview says something like "Everything begins in darkness", with the words becoming a darker color as they went on.  As I said on that thread, it makes me think Demon.




Correct. "All Things Are Born of Darkness" fading out towards the end of the sentence. That's all.





Picture of the ad in question:



http://twitpic.com/dop1j
This is the least informative back page ad they've done yet. In Promethian, it just said Changeling. In Changeling, it said Light in Shadow and had the word search, which said Hunter in it. In Hunter, it had the picture with the word Geist on it. Now we get this ad and it doesn't really tell us anything.





I agree...that doesn't tell us a single thing. Or at least it seems that way. I don't see how you could read anything more into that...





I think WOD revised/2nd edition can very clearly be read into that.  Note that reading into something and it being true are two different things, but I'm surprised I'm the first one to think of it.   
Tau neutrino
Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:21:39 AM(UTC)

How much information is there on Kereboi and Cthonians?



Does Unlocking the Stigmatic Shroud and Warding Circle (Ceremony) protect against other supernaturals' powers?

DividedState
Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:33:27 AM(UTC)
"and you shall welcome death" wrote:
I think WOD revised/2nd edition can very clearly be read into that.  Note that reading into something and it being true are two different things, but I'm surprised I'm the first one to think of it.   




I would be very disappointed, if WW makes such a mystery of something like a revised version.

I can imagine its simply about Shadows.
La Cipolla
Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:05:44 AM(UTC)
There was this cute idea of a generic WoD book!



* Invent your own Major and Minor Templates! (Building Kits, perhaps your angels as example?)

* How to create Merits, Equipment, Fightings Styles and Specialties! (Building kits and examples)

* What is going on in your WoD city? (damnation city, but more general)

* And so on...



Not that this would be the idea of the century, but admit:

It fucking does fit this ad, doesn't it? And, if done right, it would be enough for a game line for sure.





My second, less underlined guess would be underwater creatures, as this writing looks a bit like a searchlight. A bit. A tiny, little bit... ;O

And for the record, I don't think it's Demon, and it makes me haaaaappy! ;P



Christian A
Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:23:30 AM(UTC)
"La Cipolla" wrote:
There was this cute idea of a generic WoD book!



* Invent your own Major and Minor Templates! (Building Kits, perhaps your angels as example?)

* How to create Merits, Equipment, Fightings Styles and Specialties! (Building kits and examples)

* What is going on in your WoD city? (damnation city, but more general)

* And so on...



Not that this would be the idea of the century, but admit:

It fucking does fit this ad, doesn't it? And, if done right, it would be enough for a game line for sure.




Can't see White Wolf making itself redundant, really.
TheMesmero
Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:48:47 AM(UTC)
Don't think it would mean Demon as well (Inferno was published and there you can play with possesed).

La Cipolla
Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:52:54 AM(UTC)
You have a point there.



Although one could argue...

a) that this was exactly what they did with the Hunters Dread Powers and Endowments (I know, they have fluff too)

b) that it would still be interesting (and buyable) to see what the pros are doing with these building kits, giving ground for future books

b) that if we are slowly reaching the end of the nWoD (a possibility I wouldn't exclude), it makes more sense. After all, Equinox Road gave the kit for the contracts, but only after Rites of Spring and Co. were published.



But like I said, you got a point. We'll see.

and you shall welcome death
Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:24:23 AM(UTC)
"DividedState" wrote:
"and you shall welcome death" wrote:
I think WOD revised/2nd
edition can very clearly be read into that.  Note that reading
into something and it being true are two different things, but I'm
surprised I'm the first one to think of it.   




I would be very disappointed, if WW makes such a mystery of something like a revised version.

I can imagine its simply about Shadows.





But if it is the revised WOD, that spoiler is not so much a mystery, but a flat-out admission.



"Everything is born from darkness."



World of DARKNESS is the Storytelling system book.  Every splat uses, or is 'born from' it. 
Sgt Jacobs
Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:49:50 AM(UTC)
Reads like an appocolypse book. That would be awesome.
Emyunoxious
Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:26:04 AM(UTC)

"Sgt Jacobs" wrote:
Reads like an appocolypse book. That would be awesome.

Oh my yes.
FUCK YOU ^___^
Scionic
Thursday, August 13, 2009 8:26:59 AM(UTC)
Maybe it's just me, but the last and first letters of "ARE BORN" are centered and clear, just popping the word Reborn out to me.  I'm just sayin'.



Also, this reminds me so much of the "Before there was a World of Darkness" teasers that came out for Exalted, but even more irritating.  :P

Mr Gone
Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:23:58 AM(UTC)

"and you shall welcome death" wrote:
"Mr Gone" wrote:


I agree...that doesn't tell us a single thing. Or at least it seems that way. I don't see how you could read anything more into that...


I think WOD revised/2nd edition can very clearly be read into that.  Note that reading into something and it being true are two different things, but I'm surprised I'm the first one to think of it.   




Uggg...I hope not. I think NWoD is good as is, no need for a 2nd edition, at least not yet.



I did have that same thought tho, but I hope thats not what it means.
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Shadowfrost68
Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:25:28 AM(UTC)
One more thing to point out with the Demon lovin' folk, as much as we've seen that having something somewhat similar come previously doesnt negate something new coming (a la Changing Breeds, Hunter, Promethean,ect) Inferno just came out. If it hadnt, I could see a possible, albeit improbable demon connection. But to come out with a Demon book when they just made one seems a tad...silly.
Mr Gone
Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:41:24 AM(UTC)

"La Cipolla" wrote:
There was this cute idea of a generic WoD book!



* Invent your own Major and Minor Templates! (Building Kits, perhaps your angels as example?)

* How to create Merits, Equipment, Fightings Styles and Specialties! (Building kits and examples)

* What is going on in your WoD city? (damnation city, but more general)

* And so on...



Not that this would be the idea of the century, but admit:

It fucking does fit this ad, doesn't it? And, if done right, it would be enough for a game line for sure.




While I admit that would be cool...I doubt that WW will make such a book..
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Kry8ter
Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:45:19 AM(UTC)
Here's an idea:



Someone, who loves to subjugate themselves to speculating over what isn't going to happen till a year from now, and might get 2 spoilers, the way they keep dwindling each year; Start a thread about this in the WoD forum, and let THIS thing be about the guy that wants to tell us about a game that is inevitable.



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So, what does it say about making a Geist? Their appearance, who are/were they? Their personalities?

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