A Changeling Feminist?

Has anyone explored the idea of having a changeling character who is a feminist? For example a Changeling character who theorizes that the concept of hierarchy/possession/ownership and even property came from the True Fae/Gentry (or maybe vice versa, maybe those concepts created the True Fae which could be a possibility that they believe that the only way to stop the True Fae is to set up egalitarian societies or  supporting leftist groups as an attempt to overthrow capitalism which is the main source that causes it)? Meaning this character would see that real life domestic abuse as an Arcadian influence in our world?

Why is the feminist an anarchist?

Emyunoxious:

Why is the feminist an anarchist?

You're not used to Blood Lore (or its former incarnation, NightmareVampire I believe) yet, are you?

Fabio Sooner:

Emyunoxious:

Why is the feminist an anarchist?

You're not used to Blood Lore (or its former incarnation, NightmareVampire I believe) yet, are you?

Blood Lore:

Has anyone explored the idea of having a changeling character who is a feminist? For example a Changeling character who theorizes that the concept of hierarchy/possession/ownership and even property came from the True Fae/Gentry (or maybe vice versa, maybe those concepts created the True Fae which could be a possibility that they believe that the only way to stop the True Fae is to set up egalitarian societies or  supporting leftist groups as an attempt to overthrow capitalism which is the main source that causes it)? Meaning this character would see that real life domestic abuse as an Arcadian influence in our world?

Emyunoxious:

Fabio Sooner:

Emyunoxious:

Why is the feminist an anarchist?

You're not used to Blood Lore (or its former incarnation, NightmareVampire I believe) yet, are you?

I don't know what that is.

This was entertaining.

glamourweaver:

assuming that it  IS NightmareVampire

It is, and as Blore admitted on RPGnet, they have never actually played a  real live tabletop game before and likely never will, which makes these exercises all the more useless.

Yes I will honestly say that I was Nightmare Vampire in the original forums even though I may not play PnP games but I just want to contribute to the community....(which I only limited to VTM Redemption and Bloodlines which Bloodlines was the entire reason I got into the WoD back in 2004 due to my interest of Vampires at the time although not so much anymore but the WoD still fascinates me however and I'm only posting ideas which would serve as helpful information for other people)....

Anyway, my original intention for this thread that I was giving a idea that there could be a possibility of a changeling character who views/believes such things like domestic violence to be a Arcadian influence in our world although I did gone a bit too far when posting about my leftwing conclusions where such things like domestic violence is a product of capitalism and the ideals of property/possession/etc hence where I'm coming from with the whole "Capitalism is a Arcadian influenced ideology/vice versa" and such.

Or maybe I could have simply asked "How do Changelings view domestic violence/slavery/wage slavery/etc in the real world?" since those things corresponds  what the Gentry do in Arcadia which made wonder if Changelings can theorize that these situations have a Arcadian connection or maybe it was one of the the sources of how the Gentry are created? I can see that these Changelings have a huge support for domestic violence shelters/programs thus hoping they'll stop creating more Gentry or something...

An individual, changeling or not, can certainly think that way.
But as a whole, True Faes attack everywhere around the world. And I think they are much more close to a Feodal society than a Capitalist one.
And beside, conceptually, Changeling: the Lost gives many examples of monsters coming from socialist civilizations. For example, the Baba Yaga is from Russia, the Bigfoot is Native American.

Orchomenos:

And beside, conceptually, Changeling: the Lost gives many examples of monsters coming from socialist civilizations. For example, the Baba Yaga is from Russia, the Bigfoot is Native American.

To say that Changeling leans towards socialism because it includes legends from societies that were once or are now socialist.... involves faulty thinking.

To get back on topic: I don't see why Changelings would view these things any differently than any other person, mortal or not. I'm having trouble following what you're asking, but what I think you're saying is that the True Fae are somehow the cause of these phenomena? That seems, at best, a specious view for a radical Changeling to have.

The most that a Lost's view would change re: these things from before and after their durance would be that they would have a better understanding of these situations, but I think you'd be going out on a very shaky limb if you're saying that a person would somehow connect the two (Fae-land and slavery/domestic violence/whatever).

Unless that Changeling were mentally unhinged. Then I could see them connecting the dots like that.

The True Fae don't neatly line up to any sort of human political thinking.  They are an akward mix of the Divine Right theory (Which Kings and Queens of Feudal and Pre-Feudal societies absolutely loved--perhaps the Pharaohs of Egypt were fallen True Fae, and really WERE gods?), Capitalism (Why have more when you can have MORE MORE MORE!!  Screw the little guy, give me MORE!) and Colonialism (They sneak into our world for our resources--Non-1-dimensional characters, glamour, and little kewl things that can be turned into faerie toys). 

It isn't that big of a jump to say that the True Fae might be responsible for activity in which humans act more like Fae than like "people" do.  In a Cosmology in which the True Fae are Demons or Amoral Gods, it could very well be the case that any creature with low Morality is a reflection of those beings who have no morality.  Every time a man beats his wife (or ever considers another human to be his innate inferior), he mimics the way that the True Fae truly ARE above their fleshed servants.  Any time a communist sneaks his Capitalist tendencies into the system and hurts hundreds (Or, in the case of the USSR, Millions and Millions) of people because of his greed, he has mimiced the self-serving solipsism of the Fae.  Every time a Capitalist destroys a small village of tribal people and their way of life to access resources, he does the same.  The American Slave Trade, the French Revolution's cruelties, the domination of a single madman over a nation of normal people.. these could all very easily have been started by the True Fae.  Or not.  Sadly, the True Fae can't really make much of anything these days.

Of course, it could be that they started all of this before Prometheus stole their fire.  Perhaps they didn't force humankinds to do this (Or more disturbingly, make mankind in their own image).. rather, perhaps humankind simply started aping the characteristics of their immortal superiors, in hopes to attain some of their Wonder and Grace.  Perhaps it is an ingrained and normal trait of the universe, expressed differently in every race on every dimensional level.  Some unlucky Lost might someday learn which of those is true--and they will likely be driven mad by it.

So, perhaps your character is less of a Feminist, and more of an Anarchist and Moralist.  Perhaps she sees the world as full of corruption, and violently stands against it (Summer Court, anyone?).  Perhaps she beats wifebeaters, but also takes advantage of greedy corporateers, captures the rich in hopes of "paying them back".  Perhaps she thinks that every government is corrupt, either directly or indirectly corrupted by the Fae.  All of them are fairly viable, if a little mad, changelings.

All I can say is this:   If you're worried about sexist views in a Changeling game, then make sure you take a very long look at the Storycrafting (I think that's right) from Swords at Dawn.   The masculine / feminine roles are quite... different- the older tales, apparently, didn't care about a woman's class, just her age and beauty; yet men could be any age group, but all that mattered was their social standing.

glamourweaver:

Emyunoxious:

Fabio Sooner:

Emyunoxious:

Why is the feminist an anarchist?

You're not used to Blood Lore (or its former incarnation, NightmareVampire I believe) yet, are you?

I don't know what that is.

The Original Poster.  (S)he has a history of making radical fringe leftwing political posts that make those of us with sane progressive/liberal politics look like crazy people [assuming that it  IS NightmareVampire; I'm not saying that a single post about a radical left-wing character concept constitutes being a crazy person, I'm just explaining the history behind Fabio Sooner's response]

That makes too much sense. I will proceed to not feed the fire and not flame. thanks for the warning