Child without a soul...

Just had an idea about a newlywed couple struggling with the difficulties of concieving a child (i.e. low sperm count, etc.) That when it does happen, the child was born without a soul.

Wanted to see if anyone could reference any WoD books that covers this if any? Also, maybe some opinions on how you would work this with existing WoD Cosmology.

If considered a new "one-shot" promethean; who whould you consider the demiurge, the parents or the doctor assiting with fertilization? 

Note: I wouldn't classify him as a Scion or a Clone as the former is if/when Created have children and the latter deals with using the same genetic material, this is through means of meiosis/syngamy.

You could mix a demiurge and a miscariage. The mother obsesses and refuses to believe her child is dead. She continues to do everything necessary to care for the child. She is obsessively meticulous about everything. The end result is an infant Promethean.

Sparketh:

You could mix a demiurge and a miscariage. The mother obsesses and refuses to believe her child is dead. She continues to do everything necessary to care for the child. She is obsessively meticulous about everything. The end result is an infant Promethean.

Grace as a Promethean, yes!  There's also The Nativity in the Mage book Intruders, an Abyssal manifestation that creates a virgin birth, the child comes out something like Damien from The Omen. Misfortune follows in the kid's wake, birds drop out of the sky near him, he spreads mumps & measles even though he doesn't have the disease, car accidents where the kid walked across the street, another kid on the playground will break a bone, etc.

Corplos:

Grace as a Promethean, yes!

Yes, but more promethean baby that vampire baby. The idea is that the mother's obsession to procreate is the same as some sort of mad scientist who wants to create life.

The you get to deal with things like disquiet and wasteland with a being barely capable of moving.

Sparketh:

Corplos:

Grace as a Promethean, yes!

Yes, but more promethean baby that vampire baby. The idea is that the mother's obsession to procreate is the same as some sort of mad scientist who wants to create life.

The you get to deal with things like disquiet and wasteland with a being barely capable of moving.

I'll have to respectfully disagree.  You couldn't play the baby persay, but if the mother is a fanatic, she'll keep the baby even after it's wasteland pops up.  She'd in essence have a cursed object, even if she died, you'd have to be less then human to coup de grace a baby and someone else would keep taking care of the baby like a cursed object.  If the baby does happen to grow without a soul, you now have an awesome antagonist, or a bizzare Magum Opus'sk character.

Innerlight:

I'll have to respectfully disagree.  You couldn't play the baby persay, but if the mother is a fanatic, she'll keep the baby even after it's wasteland pops up.  She'd in essence have a cursed object, even if she died, you'd have to be less then human to coup de grace a baby and someone else would keep taking care of the baby like a cursed object.  If the baby does happen to grow without a soul, you now have an awesome antagonist, or a bizzare Magum Opus'sk character.

Out of curiosity, where did you disagree with me?

I was thinking of something like the Tamuz disquiet. The mother wants to own the child. Its not so much a character as the focus of a lot of shit.

Ther's also a typo in the post to which you responded. It should read

"but more promethean baby than vampire baby" instead of "promethean baby that vampire baby." This might have caused some of the confusion. I'd fix the post, but you've already replied to it.

You guys are funny. heh. These are great ideas, I didn't think about the Wasteland being incorporated into it, and haven't read Intruders yet. Both bring about themes of the unknown as the Wasteland figures into Mysterious Places style stories and the Nativity could be a plot twist to change preconceptions of what is going on.

I had no idea about Grace. That's a great reference about this concept. It seems they even have a midwife character that could potentially be the demiurge.

Interesting is that the baby isn't just bloodsucking later on in the movie synopsis. Here's a side question, is it possible for human demiurges to create Pandorans?

hell yeah. something can screw up and create a pandorian. there is probably an even better chance (or worse for the promethean) of creating a pandoran as the demiurge does not have their own divine fire.

Sparketh:

Innerlight:

I'll have to respectfully disagree.  You couldn't play the baby persay, but if the mother is a fanatic, she'll keep the baby even after it's wasteland pops up.  She'd in essence have a cursed object, even if she died, you'd have to be less then human to coup de grace a baby and someone else would keep taking care of the baby like a cursed object.  If the baby does happen to grow without a soul, you now have an awesome antagonist, or a bizzare Magum Opus'sk character.

Out of curiosity, where did you disagree with me?

I was thinking of something like the Tamuz disquiet. The mother wants to own the child. Its not so much a character as the focus of a lot of shit.

Ther's also a typo in the post to which you responded. It should read

"but more promethean baby than vampire baby" instead of "promethean baby that vampire baby." This might have caused some of the confusion. I'd fix the post, but you've already replied to it.

It sounded like you didn't like the idea of a promethan baby because you couldn't play it and you're a child so you couldn't even play the character.  That's what it sounded like.  My recommendation was to treat the kid like cursed object, that you couldn't get rid of

If you don't mind bringing in another gameline, Changeling has a few ways this could work out quite well. The first to come to mind are the Fetch-Spawn from Autumn Nightmares.

For a quick summary, a fetch is the double the True Fey leave behind when they take a mortal away to their realm. This double can easily pass as a normal mortal, through it is just an imitation, with some similarities to Prometheans. Because of the fact they're not creatures of flesh and blood, these doppelgangers rarely are able to procreate. However.... if the double truly loves his or her mate, the two can produce a child, though with some difficulties. These rare cases normally produce fetch-child, a human with the touch of the strange energies of Arcadia. Even rarer though, and more much more vexxing, is when a fetch-spawn is the result. These beings are born without a soul, and will never develop an understanding of right and wrong. Often, the parents of a fetch-spawn met a grisly end at the hands of their child, quite likely before the child reaches puberty. On top of this, they can drain the arcane energies out of others connected to the magic of the Fey.

Hope this was of some help.

Oh yeah, forgot about Fetch-spawn! That reminds me of the movie, The Good Son.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Good_Son_(film)

That would also allow someone to play the child as the spawn can age if I were to go that route.

Well, if you want it to be a PC, there would be a few issues... the violent and psychotic nature of the Fetch-Spawn first of all. A character that would be just as likely as to return a child their ball as they are to snap the kid's neck would have a hard time working with more ethical characters. The fact that they can't be restrained in any manner could make them should be taken into consideration. Also, there's the fact that upon their 21st birthday, the Fetchspawn have a tendency to vanish could be an issue.. though that last part could be interesting to use in the game.

Innerlight:

It sounded like you didn't like the idea of a promethan baby because you couldn't play it and you're a child so you couldn't even play the character.  That's what it sounded like.  My recommendation was to treat the kid like cursed object, that you couldn't get rid of

I get it now, you thought I was being sarcastic. No, I thought the baby was an awesome plot idea. By dealing with something that causes wasteland and disquiet, but is unable to travel on its own strength, you basically have (as you said) a cursed object that makes for great story potential.

Forik H. Smythe:

hell yeah. something can screw up and create a pandorian. there is probably an even better chance (or worse for the promethean) of creating a pandoran as the demiurge does not have their own divine fire.

A demiurge always has a spark of divine fire. Its how they become a demiurge. They lose that spark when they create their promethean. In fact, the odds favor the demiurge.

Sparketh:

A demiurge always has a spark of divine fire. Its how they become a demiurge. They lose that spark when they create their promethean. In fact, the odds favor the demiurge.

Figured it'd favor the demiurge, The Created has that thought of, "Well, it worked for me so why wouldn't it work again?" going for them, so they in essence gamble their spark on the act. While the demiurge, is going on blind faith, but does that make it impossible to create a Pandoran? Or is it that the demiurge has to intentionally want to create Pandorans for that to happen?