"OK, I'm not really a virgin." - Ventrue Clan Weakness Question

In the Gehenna book (I know that not everyone likes that book) there is a part about Malkav's twin sister holding a grudge against Cain because when he cursed Malkav he got her two (as there souls are one). Page 101.

DICE:

Unholy Pilgrim:

Just drink from children.

Man its the world of darkness. There is no certainty that a child is a virgin. 

Sadly, that's not an occurence limited to the land of vampires and werewolves, in some places.

ChaosWolf:

Sadly, that's not an occurence limited to the land of vampires and werewolves, in some places.

Unfortunately, there are far too many stories of kids having kids when they are just 11 and 12. (and the fathers aren't kids) And just because kids can't have kids when they're even younger, doesn't necessarily mean they haven't been sexually abused and even raped.

If anyone wanted to do a particularly dark story, they might have a Ventrue try to drink from a "virgin" 10 year old just to find out the "virgin" isn't. How would the Ventrue react? Would he react in rage at the violation of the child, or since it was already feeding off the child, would it care?

A high humanity vamp might care while a low humanity vamp might not. It would be a pretty nasty campaign to jump into - child abuse is rough to deal with even for those who weren't abused as kids.

Hears a thought, why don't we ask a Nos if there Clan weakness is psychological of supernatural?

DICE:

Hears a thought, why don't we ask a Nos if there Clan weakness is psychological of supernatural?

Good point. If other clans have weaknesses that are clearly supernaturally set and enforced, I guess there's not much basis for picking out the Ventrue weakness as being a psychological problem.

Eh. The Nosferatu clan flaw might be regarded by a storyteller as equally psychological, if a psychological explanation is allowed for any of the clan flaws.

Most of the things that tend to run in lines aren't enforced as absolutes along those same lines. Clan disciplines, clan flaws, personality archetypes, the primary, secondary and tertiary attributes and abilities- all of these could be looked at and assigned clan by clan as probable or likely but cannot be said to be limitations that are enforced by the rules for character creation.

Out of clan disciplines exist all over the place, certainly in player characters but also in NPCs who are considered to be canon and have been written up.

A lack of a clan flaw or having a cross-clan flaw is an official merit, although I cannot recall which book it is in offhand.

One of the ways Caitiff can come into existence is a situation wherein they are embraced by a known member of a clan and they then fail to share the traits of that clan; discipline spread, clan flaw and whatnot.

There is a great deal of evidence that the vampirism as it's regarded in the game represents a massive amount of untapped potential for most characters created within the system. In theory, any given vampire could theoretically have every trait, discipline and blood magic at their generational maximum. There's a massive experience barrier but no rule impediment. Aspects associated with a specific clan are not necessarily limited to that clan- disciplines can certainly be learned, some players fear that feeding off members of certain clans can cause their flaws to carry over (and that diablerie makes this more likely), which is not unsupported by the published material, although it's not exactly confirmed in most cases either.

The flaw section of the books lists a number of detrimental qualities that are psychological in nature but which are still firmly enforced by the rules. Repelled by Garlic, Repelled by Crosses, Can't Cross Running Water, No Reflection (outside of the Lasombras), Prey Exclusion (Outside of the Ventrue)- and goes on to basically describe these conditions as being something brought about as a direct result of the vampire's personal beliefs that this was part of the whole vampire deal. They believe, genuinely believe, that they're repelled by garlic and the properties and powers of the blood manifest to make it true.

Clan flaws could be regarded as the same. Could be, it's really storyteller discretion. The beliefs of the Sire imbue certain properties in the blood they feed their new childe and that causes the initial manifestation of the clan flaws and discipline spread- and then the childe's own belief and understanding of their new reality then asserts itself and they maintain their condition, flaws and all, through their own understanding.

It's a double edged sword, both empowering and debilitating. Defined by their own understanding; made strong through things they believe and their own ego while simultaneously circumscribed by their own hangups and creative limitations.

The Nosferatu specifically target people who are ugly on the inside. They learn it and discover, to their horror, that everyone else can see it, too.

DICE:

Man its the world of darkness. There is no certainty that a child is a virgin. 

that was evil :) I guess the point of the aforementioned weakness would be "can only gain sustenance from virgin adolescents"

etherial:

The Nosferatu specifically target people who are ugly on the inside. They learn it and discover, to their horror, that everyone else can see it, too.

Book IV Transgressions of the Erciyes Fragments
deals with the cursing of the clans by Caine