Ideas for dealing with a lawn covered in blood and gore?

The chest might be a bad place. I'd suggest some other "vital" organ be destroyed.

Torso is probably more accurate... it's actually kinda hard for a human-shaped being to self inflict a gunshot wound to the chest that actually hits the heart, but point taken.

Note: a perforated lung will still kill a normal human.

xjohnx:

Take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...

A most excellent idea Lt. Ripley.

I'm beginning to agree that this Elysium is becoming an Achilles heel, it's just getting way to much attention and my vampire senses are tingling. 

-D

Qcks:

Note: a perforated lung will still kill a normal human.

Fair enough.

Its also probably a bit easier if everyone shoots each other.

When my players got into this mess, I have to admit, I had no idea how they'd get out of it.  I really enjoy that kind of open-ended challenge for which I don't plan any solution.  So far, I've not been disappointed with their resourcefulness, or when that failed, their ability to use brute force to punch through any problem.

I probably could have been more of a bastard about the police attention, but their efforts were interesting and inventive enough that I let it slide.  Eight vampires running a city by themselves need to catch a break once in a while after all.

And for the record, I think pretending to be corpses and thus getting brought to a police morgue would have been far worse than anything else they could have done.  Its not like the cops would just leave the bodies there and forget about them.  Without any police infrastructure in place, they'd have no way to sweep the records of such things under the rug, even if they forgetful minded the ME and everyone else in the entire station (which would be a feat in and of itself.  And I laughed pretty hard at the idea of a vampire committing arson.  What kind of balls would actually setting a fire big enough to engulf a mansion and its lawn take?

mplindustries:

And for the record, I think pretending to be corpses and thus getting brought to a police morgue would have been far worse than anything else they could have done.  Its not like the cops would just leave the bodies there and forget about them. 

I'd only be interested in being taken to the morgue if i had the obfuscate to get out of the morgue after i get brought in. It was mentioned that obfuscate was used, so i don't see a problem with the idea. they aren't gonna try and perform an  autopsy in the ambulance ride over to the morgue. They're plenty of opportuniities for a vampire with dots in obfuscate to quietly slip away.

The fact that the cops wouldn't forget about the incident works to the players advantage. police departments don't like to have large unsolved masacres on the books. A burning need on the behalf of the pd to close the case coupled with the PC's need for contacts in the PD, and, possibly, the PC's need to frame someone, thus eliminating them, makes the situation pretty good.

Qcks:

I'd only be interested in being taken to the morgue if i had the obfuscate to get out of the morgue after i get brought in. It was mentioned that obfuscate was used, so i don't see a problem with the idea. they aren't gonna try and perform an  autopsy in the ambulance ride over to the morgue. They're plenty of opportuniities for a vampire with dots in obfuscate to quietly slip away.

I see, at the time he only had Obfuscate 2 (all the more amazing that he succeeded with my ad hoc -10 penalty).  Of course, even with 3, if a body disappears from the morgue, never mind multiple bodies, that's just more investigating.  And hospitals/police stations have security cameras, in the morgues, too, so they'd get a nasty masquerade violation when people review the tapes of blurry corpses walking away, and it'd be worse if nobody else reacted to them at all in the videos.

Qcks:

The fact that the cops wouldn't forget about the incident works to the players advantage. police departments don't like to have large unsolved masacres on the books. A burning need on the behalf of the pd to close the case coupled with the PC's need for contacts in the PD, and, possibly, the PC's need to frame someone, thus eliminating them, makes the situation pretty good.

I understand, because you don't have all the background (as it would have been silly for him to give it all).  There are three characters.  One is a Nosferatu with virtually no social skills and 2 Humanity.  The second character has just barely more social skills, but also Humanity 2, not mention 3 or 4 derangements, and the player kind of sucks at talking anyway.  Neither of them is not going to be talking to any mortals or making contacts with cops.  The third player is a fantastic social character with Majesty 5, but she is also the former D.A..  The former D.A. for which there was a public funeral, so the police are not going to be ok talking to her.  This is at the heart of their problem, really.  Without blood bonding and heavy usage of discipline, they really can't get contacts where they need them, so they're pretty reliant on the NPCs they kept awake/woke up for the infrastructure.

The stupid thing is, everything could have been avoided if they just used melee weapons, or even just the silenced guns they had (on their persons at the time) instead of their 5x7 and a full clip of AK bullets.  Or, you know, if they waited and didn't try to massacre 8 guys head on in front of Elysium.

Joe_CoT:

Funny problem we forgot: the city is now full of ghouls starving for blood. We drive by Elysium, to see 8 armed ghouls trying to break in. I try to wait until they actually break in, so we can take them inside... but a coterie member frenzies on a ghoul with protean 1, so that didn't work out. They start firing assault rifles, I did some stabby stabby...

pose it as a gang fight. cops don't look into those much and they largely go unsolved a good 70% of the time.

Perhaps use animalism to summon a flock of ravens ?

You'd still have to hose it down afterwards, though.

mplindustries:

I see, at the time he only had Obfuscate 2 (all the more amazing that he succeeded with my ad hoc -10 penalty).  Of course, even with 3, if a body disappears from the morgue, never mind multiple bodies, that's just more investigating.

Ah. the obfuscate 2 thing would make my suggestion hard if not impossible.

As for the rest... I wouldn't steal multiple bodies. Murder, on it's own, is not a masquerade violation. It is poor form, but the traditions really don't address personal style.

Why did you move the bodies inside Elysium?!

They were better left on the lawn. Also why stabbing the guys with the guns? Did no one else have firearms? A group of automatic gun carrying men getting shot to death is almost expected, while them being stabbed to death is just weird.

Well spilled milk I suppose...

Obfuscate  the yard is not a bad idea for when the cops get on scene, but for the clean up a hose, garden rake for the big chunks and perhaps a flock of ravens for the remaining bits and detail work with Animalism.

It would have been far better to shoot the guys and just left them there to be found, hell later stash the guns you used to kill the ghouls in some known gangbangers place and leave a tip to the cops through a snick you control. Nice logically solved crime, everyone is happy.

Remember people with guns are expected to be killed by other people with guns, nothing vampiric about that, no sir.Also don't forget mortals still take lethal from guns, and at rang don't get defense. Also accidental friendly fire on your vampire friends is not a big deal. (there is about to be a lot of blood available)

Bobsterama:

Perhaps use animalism to summon a flock of ravens ?

That suggestion is actually kind of awesome.  I'd have let that work.  Innovative stuff like that always entertains me.  This past session the player with Obfuscate 2 at the time (remember, this issue is like a month old) bought Obfuscate 4 and, after another bloody situation (he is rather violent), he used it on his friends who were expecting him to look like what they expected: a non-ripped to shred, non-blood soaked version of himself.

Qcks:

As for the rest... I wouldn't steal multiple bodies.

They wouldn't steal multiple bodies, they'd be multiple bodies.  Two players were conscious, and I was referring to the idea that they'd pose themselves like dead bodies at the scene.

Alabaster Xnight:

Why did you move the bodies inside Elysium?!

They were better left on the lawn.

They were trying to avoid police attention altogether.  A gang killing on the lawn of a Victorian era hotel in the "nice part of town" is going to raise more eyebrows than it lowers, especially because they didn't look like a gang whatsoever.

Alabaster Xnight:

Also why stabbing the guys with the guns? Did no one else have firearms? A group of automatic gun carrying men getting shot to death is almost expected, while them being stabbed to death is just weird.

I'm not totally sure where they idea that they were necessarily armed with guns came from.  They were all wearing suits and kevlar, and in addition to the silenced mp5s, which the ghouls never actually used, they had a variety of hand-held weapons: knives, fire axes, and swords, since they were ghouls and were aware that guns would be insufficient to get what they wanted (which was blood).

And the players did have guns, and used them.  That's what caused the issue in the first place.  One guy ambushed them with a 5x7 (instead of his knife, for some reason, even though he then immediately swapped to the knife and rode the wave for the rest of the fight), another frenzied on a ghoul with Protean 1, and used claws she recieved through a flesh-crafting devotion I've created, while the third hung back and shot them with an AK.  In fact, because they were wearing Kevlar, the AK was the least effective weapon, and the frenzying vampire likely would not have been torpored if the third player had actually supported her at all and presented herself as a target instead of shooting at armor.

So, the real question is: "Why did they shoot at guys with knives and swords when quiet melee combat would have drawn basically zero attention?"

Bobsterama:

Perhaps use animalism to summon a flock of ravens ?

You'd still have to hose it down afterwards, though.

Hmm.... If this is in NYC ravens might be a bit conspicuous. Maybe hordes of rats. With a typical persons fear of rats and disease, I know the police wouldn't want to stay long.