Animal stats?

Question about animal stats

One thing I've always been trying to find out are stats that would be for various types of creatures. Has there ever been a sanctioned CAM list of stats for various animals? The ones in most of the core books are very pitifully small and are generally very vague. Now, I know in Vampire, you choose 4 stats for the form you transform into. That's fine. But I'm looking at one of my Changeling characters with Fang and Talon 5 with Birds of Prey. I end up with the stats of that animal. Other than the smaller size, I have no idea what the physical attributes of what different birds of prey might have. I understand that White-Wolf has given some flexibility here. But unfortunately, this just leaves such 'stats' to be overly vague. Any help about this would be appreciated.

I guess there's no answer to this question? :p

I've asked similar questions and no one answered. Maybe you'll have better luck, but if not, don't feel alone.

Sorry for the delay, ummm. There were more animal stats in Skinchangers, but I'll be honest, I wasn't quite satisfied with them based on real world stuff. So, my advice is more to build your own, which is what I did for my player with Fang and Talon 5 (Simians). If you want, I can share the physical stats I decided there, but to be honest, I doubt they'll  be helpful for you since you're looking for Birds of Prey. But if you want, I can try and help you devise some stats (which honestly may include temporary merits, since a scavenger should have Iron Stomach).

Animal Traits, from the White Wolf Wiki.

Alligator / Crocodile
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 2, Resolve 3, Strength 5, Dexterity 2, Stamina 4, Presence 3, Manipualtion 1, Composure 2 Skills: Athletics 3, Brawl 4, Intimidation 3, Survival 3 Willpower: 5 Initiative: 4 Defense: 2 Running Speed: 12 (Acting Speed 5) Size: 6 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                            Damage                       Test pool Bite                              3 (L)                             12 Health: 10  

Arachnid / Spider 
Attributes: Intelligence 0, Wits 1, Resolve 1, Strength 1, Dexterity 4, Stamina 1, Presence 0, Manipualtion 0, Composure 1 Skills: Athletics 2, Brawl 2, Stealth 4 (hiding in plain sight) , Survival 1 Willpower: 2 Initiative: 5 Defense: 4 Running Speed: 8 (Acting Speed 3) Size: 1 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                            Damage                       Test pool Bite                              1 (L) *                          7 Health: 2 Special: * Bite has Toxicity 3, damage occurs once per minute.

Bat
Attributes: Intelligence 0, Wits 1, Resolve 0, Strength 1, Dexterity 4, Stamina 1, Presence 1, Manipualtion 0, Composure 1 Skills: Athletics 4 (flight), Brawl 1, Survival 3 Willpower: 1 Initiative: 5 Defense: 4 Running Speed: 15 (Acting Speed 10, flight only) Size: 1 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                            Damage                       Test pool Bite                              1 (L)                             6 Health: 2  

Bear / Grizzly / Kodiak 
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 2, Resolve 4, Strength 5, Dexterity 2, Stamina 4, Presence 3, Manipualtion 1, Composure 4 Skills: Athletics 3 (climbing), Brawl 4, Intimidation 3, Survival 3 Willpower: 8 Initiative: 6 Defense: 2 Running Speed: 13 (Acting Speed 6) Size: 7 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Bite                  3 (L)                             12                                  Claw                1 (L)                             10 Health: 11  

Beaver / Racoon
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 1, Resolve 0, Strength 2, Dexterity 4, Stamina 2, Presence 1, Manipualtion 0, Composure 1 Skills: Athletics 4, Brawl 2, Survival 3 (finding food) Willpower: 1 Initiative: 5 Defense: 4 Running Speed: 11 (Acting Speed 6) Size: 3 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Bite                  0 (L)                             6 Claws               1 (L)                             7 Health: 5

Bird / Raven
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 3, Resolve 3, Strength 1, Dexterity 3, Stamina 2, Presence 3, Manipualtion 1, Composure 3 Skills: Athletics 3, Brawl 1, Intimidation 2, Survival 3 Willpower: 6 Initiative: 6 Defense: 3 Running Speed: 14 (Acting Speed 10, Flight only) Size: 2 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Beak                1 (L)                             5 Health: 4  

Boar / Pig
Attributes: Intelligence 2, Wits 2, Resolve 2, Strength 3, Dexterity 2, Stamina 3, Presence 1, Manipualtion 1, Composure 2 Skills: Athletics 2, Brawl 3, Intimidation 1, Survival 2 Willpower: 4 Initiative: 4 Defense: 2 Running Speed: 12 (Acting Speed 7) Size: 6 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                            Damage                       Test pool Bite                              0 (B)                            6 Tusk (boars)                 1 (L)                             7 Health: 9  

Buck / Stag / Deer / Llama 
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 3, Resolve 3, Strength 3, Dexterity 3, Stamina 3, Presence 3, Manipualtion 1, Composure 3 Skills: Athletics 3 (running), Brawl 3, Intimidation 2, Survival 2 Willpower: 6 Initiative: 6 Defense: 3 Running Speed: 14 (Acting Speed 8) Size: 6 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                            Damage                       Test pool Bite                              1 (L)                             7 Horn (not llama)            3 (L)                             9 Health: 9

Bug / Insect / Centipede 
Attributes: Intelligence 0, Wits 1, Resolve 0, Strength 1, Dexterity 2, Stamina 4, Presence 0, Manipualtion 0, Composure 0 Skills: Brawl 1, Survival 1 Willpower: 0 Initiative: 2 Defense: 3 Running Speed: 6 (Acting Speed 3) Size: 1 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Bite                  0 (B)                            3 Health: 5  

Bull 
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 3, Resolve 3, Strength 4, Dexterity 3, Stamina 5, Presence 3, Manipualtion 1, Composure 2 Skills: Athletics 4, Brawl 1 (horn), Intimidation 2, Survival 2 Willpower: 5 Initiative: 5 Defense: 3 Running Speed: 19 (Acting Speed 12) Size: 7 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Bite                  1 (L)                             6 Horn                 2 (L)                             8 Hoof                 3 (B) *              8 Health: 12 Special: * Knockdown  

Caribou 
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 3, Resolve 3, Strength 4, Dexterity 3, Stamina 5, Presence 3, Manipualtion 1, Composure 2 Skills: Athletics 4, Brawl 1, Survival 2 Willpower: 5 Initiative: 5 Defense: 3 Running Speed: 19 (Acting Speed 12) Size: 7 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Bite                  1 (L)                             7 Hoof                 3 (B) *              9 Horn                 2 (L)                             8 Health: 12 Special: * Knockdown

Cat, Domestic
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 4, Resolve 3, Strength 1, Dexterity 5, Stamina 3, Presence 3, Manipualtion 1, Composure 3 Skills: Athletics 4, Brawl 2, Stealth 3  Willpower: 6 Initiative: 8 Defense: 5 Running Speed: 13 (Acting Speed 7) Size: 2 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Bite                  0 (L)                             7 Claw                0 (L)                             7 Health: 5  

Cat, Great / Lion / Tiger 
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 4, Resolve 4, Strength 4, Dexterity 4, Stamina 3, Presence 3, Manipualtion 1, Composure 3 Skills: Athletics 4 (climbing), Brawl 4, Intimidation 3 Willpower: 7 Initiative: 7 Defense: 4 Running Speed: 16 (Acting Speed 8) Size: 5 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Bite                  3 (L)                             11 Claws               2 (L)                             10 Health: 8  

Crab / Crustacean
Attributes: Intelligence 0, Wits 2, Resolve 2, Strength 2, Dexterity 2, Stamina 2, Presence 1, Manipualtion 0, Composure 2 Skills: Athletics 3, Brawl 3 (pincers), Intimidation 1, Survival 3 Willpower: 4 Initiative: 4 Defense: 2 Running Speed: 8 (Acting Speed 4) Size: 2 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Pincers             1 (L)                             7 Health: 4

Dog / Hound
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 4, Resolve 3, Strength 4, Dexterity 3, Stamina 3, Presence 4, Manipualtion 1, Composure 3 Skills: Athletics 4 (running), Brawl 3, Stealth 1, Intimidation 3, Survival 3 (tracking) Willpower: 6 Initiative: 6 Defense: 4 Running Speed: 14 (Acting Speed 7) Size: 4 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Bite                  2 (L)                             9 Health: 7  

Eagle / Condor / Vulture 
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 3, Resolve 3, Strength 3, Dexterity 4, Stamina 4, Presence 3, Manipualtion 1, Composure 3 Skills: Athletics 3, Brawl 3, Intimidation 2, Survival 3 Willpower: 6 Initiative: 7 Defense: 4 Running Speed: 17 (Acting Speed 10, Flight only) Size: 4 (5 for Condor) Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Beak                1 (L)                             8 Claws               2 (L)                             9 Health: 8 (9 for Condor)  

Elephant 
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 2, Resolve 3, Strength 7, Dexterity 2, Stamina 7, Presence 2, Manipualtion 1, Composure 3 Skills: Athletics 2 (running), Brawl 3 (tusks), Intimidation 3, Survival 3 Willpower: 6 Initiative: 5 Defense: 2 Running Speed: 15 (Acting Speed 6) Size: 15 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Tusk                 1 (L)                             12 Trample            2 (B)                            12 Health: 22

Fish / Dolphin
Attributes: Intelligence 2, Wits 2, Resolve 4, Strength 3, Dexterity 4, Stamina 3, Presence 2, Manipualtion 2, Composure 3 Skills: Athletics 4 (swimming), Brawl 3, Intimidation 3, Survival 4 Willpower: 7 Initiative: 7 Defense: 4 Running Speed: 15 (Acting Speed 8, Swimming only) Size: 5 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Bite                  1 (L)                             7 Health: 8  

Fox 
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 4, Resolve 3, Strength 1, Dexterity 4, Stamina 2, Presence 2, Manipualtion 1, Composure 3 Skills: Athletics 4 (running), Brawl 3, Stealth 3, Intimidation 1, Survival 3 (tracking) Willpower: 6 Initiative: 7 Defense: 4 Running Speed: 12 (Acting Speed 7) Size: 3 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Bite                  1 (L)                             8 Health: 5  

Horse
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 3, Resolve 3, Strength 4, Dexterity 3, Stamina 5, Presence 3, Manipualtion 1, Composure 2 Skills: Athletics 4, Brawl 1, Survival 2 Willpower: 5 Initiative: 5 Defense: 3 Running Speed: 19 (Acting Speed 12) Size: 7 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Bite                  1 (L)                             7 Hoof                 3 (B) *              9 Health: 12 Special: * Knockdown

Jellyfish
Attributes: Intelligence 0, Wits 1, Resolve 2, Strength 1, Dexterity 4, Stamina 4, Presence 0, Manipualtion 0, Composure 2 Skills: Athletics 2, Brawl 2, Survival 3 Willpower: 4 Initiative: 6 Defense: 4 Running Speed: 7 (Acting Speed 2) Size: 2 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Tentacles          0 (B) *              6 Health: 6 Special: * Tentacle is Toxicity 4 contact poison, damage every minute.  

Lizard, Great / Dragon, Komodo
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 3, Resolve 2, Strength 4, Dexterity 3, Stamina 3, Presence 1, Manipualtion 1, Composure 2 Skills: Athletics 3, Brawl 4, Stealth 3 (hiding in shadows) Intimidation 3, Survival 2 (hunting) Willpower: 4 Initiative: 5 Defense: 3 Running Speed: 15 (Acting Speed 8) Size: 6 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Bite                  2 (L)                             10 Claw                3 (L)                             11 Health: 9  

Monkey / Chimpanzee
Attributes: Intelligence 2, Wits 3, Resolve 2, Strength 3, Dexterity 4, Stamina 3, Presence 2, Manipualtion 2, Composure 4 Skills: Athletics 3 (climbing), Brawl 3 (bite), Intimidation 3, Survival 3 Willpower: 6 Initiative: 8 Defense: 4 Running Speed: 13 (Acting Speed 6) Size: 4 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Bite                  2 (L)                             10 Health: 7

Ostrich / Emu
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 3, Resolve 3, Strength 3, Dexterity 3, Stamina 4, Presence 3, Manipualtion 1, Composure 2 Skills: Athletics 4, Brawl 1, Survival 2 Willpower: 5 Initiative: 5 Defense: 3 Running Speed: 14 (Acting Speed 9) Size: 5 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Beak                1 (L)                             5 Claw                2 (L) *              6 Health: 9  

Rhino / Hippo 
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 2, Resolve 3, Strength 6, Dexterity 2, Stamina 6, Presence 2, Manipualtion 1, Composure 3 Skills: Athletics 2 (running), Brawl 3, Intimidation 3, Survival 3 Willpower: 6 Initiative: 5 Defense: 2 Running Speed: 15 (Acting Speed 7) Size: 12 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Trample            2 (B)                            11 Horn (rhino)      1 (L)                             10 Health: 18  

Scorpion 
Attributes: Intelligence 0, Wits 1, Resolve 0, Strength 1, Dexterity 2, Stamina 4, Presence 0, Manipualtion 0, Composure 0 Skills: Brawl 1, Survival 1 Willpower: 0 Initiative: 2 Defense: 3 Running Speed: 6 (Acting Speed 3) Size: 1 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                            Damage                       Test pool Stinger              1 (L)*                           4 Health: 5 Special: * Stinger has Toxicity 3, damage occurs once per minute.

Shark 
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 2, Resolve 3, Strength 5, Dexterity 3, Stamina 4, Presence 3, Manipualtion 1, Composure 4 Skills: Athletics 3, Brawl 4, Intimidation 4, Survival 3 Willpower: 7 Initiative: 7 Defense: 3 Running Speed: 13 (Acting Speed 6, Swimming only) Size: 6 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Bite                  3 (L)                             12 Health: 10  

Snake, constrictor 
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 2, Resolve 3, Strength 3, Dexterity 2, Stamina 1, Presence 3, Manipualtion 1, Composure 4 Skills: Athletics 2, Brawl 2 (constriction), Stealth 2, Intimidation 3, Survival 3 Willpower: 7 Initiative: 6 Defense: 2 Running Speed: 7 (Acting Speed 2) Size: 3 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Constrict           2 (B)                            7 Health: 4  

Snake, poisonous 
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 2, Resolve 3, Strength 1, Dexterity 4, Stamina 3, Presence 2, Manipualtion 3, Composure 3 Skills: Athletics 2, Brawl 3 (bite), Stealth 2, Intimidation 3, Survival 3 Willpower: 6 Initiative: 7 Defense: 4 Running Speed: 9 (Acting Speed 4) Size: 1 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Bite                  1 (L) *                          9 Health: 4 Special: * Bite has Toxicity 3, damage occurs once per minute.

Squirrel / Rat / Hare 
Attributes: Intelligence 0, Wits 1, Resolve 0, Strength 2, Dexterity 4, Stamina 1, Presence 1, Manipualtion 0, Composure 1 Skills: Athletics 4, Brawl 1, Survival 3 (finding food) Willpower: 1 Initiative: 5 Defense: 4 Running Speed: 11 (Acting Speed 6) Size: 2 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Bite                  0 (L)                             5 Health: 3  

Toad 
Attributes: Intelligence 0, Wits 2, Resolve 1, Strength 1, Dexterity 3, Stamina 1, Presence 1, Manipualtion 1, Composure 3 Skills: Athletics 2,(hopping) Survival 3 (finding food) Willpower: 4 Initiative: 6 Defense: 3 Running Speed: 6 (Acting Speed 2) Size: 1 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool n/a Health: 2  

Whale, killer 
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 2, Resolve 3, Strength 7, Dexterity 2, Stamina 7, Presence 2, Manipualtion 1, Composure 3 Skills: Athletics 2 (swimming), Brawl 3, Intimidation 4, Survival 3 Willpower: 6 Initiative: 5 Defense: 2 Running Speed: 15 (Acting Speed 6, Swimming only) Size: 15 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Bite                  3 (L)                             13 Health: 22

Wolf 
Attributes: Intelligence 1, Wits 4, Resolve 3, Strength 4, Dexterity 3, Stamina 3, Presence 4, Manipualtion 1, Composure 3 Skills: Athletics 4 (running), Brawl 3, Stealth 2, Intimidation 3, Survival 4 (tracking) Willpower: 6 Initiative: 6 Defense: 4 Running Speed: 14 (Acting Speed 7) Size: 4 Weapons/Attacks:  Type                Damage                       Test pool Bite                  2 (L)                             9 Health: 7