To make them more powerful

I'm about to begin a new chronicle in two months, in which i'd like to make vamps and weres more powerful than they are.

MaskOfWinters:

Vampires can spend blood points to enhance physical attributes for one scene (like it was in Masquerade), one point for one dot up to the usual cap. They cannot spend more points this way than their Blood Potency. 

  Isn't this rather redundant in the face of Resilience and Vigor?   Same cost for nearly the same exact effect.   Is it an instant or reflexive action?   Does it stack with or replace standard blood buff rules?

MaskOfWinters:

2)

Resilience does function like in MET, it is a permanent addition to Health

Not sure how MET works, but I do like permanent the addition to Health- removes that whole "you suddenly fall into torpor at End of Scene" crap.   We're not playing Magic the Gathering, with a very specific End of Turn phase here.   That tendency always annoyed me.

MaskOfWinters:

3)

Regeneration boost to weres (like the Armory hack)

4)

8 again to strength pools (including combat) in Gauru and 9 again in Urshul and Dalu (like the Armory hack)

Together, I think these two are slightly excessive.   Not to mention- the only reason for these to rules to exist are to make non-combat wolves superior in combat.   It doesn't add anything other than deal-massive-amounts-of-damage and absorb-any-kind-of-damage; very dull.  It also reduces the impact and viability of the other forms in combat, something that I'm very much not a fan of.   Relying on pack tactics and the various forms is one of my favorite aspects of the new werewolf.

Of course, if that's the style of game you want, then go for it.   But personally I find the rational behind these hacks ("This hack allows werewolves to reach their true potential as combat monsters."  "Werewolves are usually depicted as obscenely powerful brutes, capable of smashing down any obstacle with ease.") to be very silly and rather redundant - that's why we have the ability to spend multiple essence to heal and Strength Gifts.   You can have similar effects just by improving the PU progression.

Blunt Vorpal:

Isn't this rather redundant in the face of Resilience and Vigor?   Same cost for nearly the same exact effect.   Is it an instant or reflexive action?   Does it stack with or replace standard blood buff rules?

chrstnsln22:

This is really is a nice idea. I think it would be great to do this. I just agree with number one and 4.

Want to make them more powerful without a major change?  Just use the Giest Psyche progression for Blood Potency.  I tested it one game and was shocked on how much more scary a vampire is just by changing that one thing.

Deimos_Masque:

Want to make them more powerful without a major change?  Just use the Giest Psyche progression for Blood Potency.  I tested it one game and was shocked on how much more scary a vampire is just by changing that one thing.

yeah i've already tried with Prommie/Mage one, Geist progression seems bit too much to me, it creates other problems (less hunger frenzy risk for example), not sure i'm prepared for this.

MaskOfWinters:

it creates other problems (less hunger frenzy risk for example), not sure i'm prepared for this.

O_o  Really?   When I used the Mage progression, I found that it created *more* hunger problems.   With the ability to spend more blood per turn, the players acually spent vitae faster in a shorter amount of time.   

Then again, there's a reason that the Coil of Blood was in high demand in my game...

Blunt Vorpal:

When I used the Mage progression, I found that it created *more* hunger problems.

Psyche progression is different from Mage's one, it gives much more fuel earlier

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MaskOfWinters:

1) 

Vampires can spend blood points to enhance physical attributes for one scene (like it was in Masquerade), one point for one dot up to the usual cap. They cannot spend more points this way than their Blood Potency. 

  Not a bad idea.  Allows Vampires to be more "physical."  I'll discuss this with my player - if she likes it, then we'll use it.

MaskOfWinters:

2)

Resilience does function like in MET, it is a permanent addition to Health

Been using the MET version for a while.  Didn't like the whole "Darn, I'm in torpor now that the scene is over."

MaskOfWinters:

3)

Regeneration boost to weres (like the Armory hack)

Not familiar with the "Armory Hack".  Is this the original "Armory" or "Armory Reloaded"?  What page?

MaskOfWinters:

4)

8 again to strength pools (including combat) in Gauru and 9 again in Urshul and Dalu (like the Armory hack)

Again, not familiar with the "Armory Hack", but you gave enough info that I'm interested in reading about it.  I want my Werewolves, whether NPCs or PCs, to be terrifying.


Fred

Nadrakas:

Is this the original "Armory" or "Armory Reloaded"?  What page?

All Armory hacks are from Armory Reloaded, in Chapter 4 of the book, Combat Hacks. The ones that MaskOfWinters talks about are specifically on pg. 164, under the names Quick Regeneration and Savage Might.

kurasu:

Nadrakas:

Is this the original "Armory" or "Armory Reloaded"?  What page?

All Armory hacks are from Armory Reloaded, in Chapter 4 of the book, Combat Hacks. The ones that MaskOfWinters talks about are specifically on pg. 164, under the names Quick Regeneration and Savage Might.

Thank you good Sir.  I'll peruse them a little later...right after our Weekly Story is finished.


Fred

If you are interested in combat hacks, here's one I like and recommend at least having a good look:

Mailanka's Dramatic Combat Hack

Ich:

If you are interested in combat hacks, here's one I like and recommend at least having a good look:

Mailanka's Dramatic Combat Hack

Already using it :-P

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