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genty Posted: 2 Nov 2009 8:20 AM
I am considering to run a game based in Denmark during the end of the Viking era. To make things interesting my idea is to make the characters into ghouls pretty early in the story, maybe due to an upcoming raid upon an English village or something.
Reading different sources regarding ghouls have left me with some facts (or what i think is fact) and some questions. Hopefully you can confirm/deny the facts and help me with the rest.

Let's assume a human ghoul of 2 years in the service, having 3 blood points in his system and having learned Potence1 and Celerity1.

Scenario: His blood supply has been removed. No longer getting fresh Vite.

Facts:
1. After 1 month he will have 0 blood points in his system, reverting back to a human, his body aging 2 years, loosing his disciplines. Celerity will go first.
2. During this time he can still burn blood points to heal/activate disciplines/boost physical stats.

Questions:
1. During this month, will his 3 blood points be absorbed by his body bit by bit (something like 1 per week) or will it all go away magically after 1 month?
2. Will anything be affected by the amount of blood in his system during this month? I.e. will a ghoul with 1 blood point have a different experience from one with 10 blood points?
3. What happens if  he spends all of his blood, will he still be a ghoul for 1 month or will he just have the craving for 1 month?
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genty:
1. During this month, will his 3 blood points be absorbed by his body bit by bit (something like 1 per week) or will it all go away magically after 1 month?
One a day. You pee it out in the morning.

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2. Will anything be affected by the amount of blood in his system during this month? I.e. will a ghoul with 1 blood point have a different experience from one with 10 blood points?
Not that I know of but I could be wrong on this one.

genty:
3. What happens if  he spends all of his blood, will he still be a ghoul for 1 month or will he just have the craving for 1 month?
Still a ghoul for the rest of the month but after the month ends... Ghouls can go feral. Think of the blood as a heavy drug and then think of a junky needing a fix.
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One a day. You pee it out in the morning.

Just like a Vampire then. This would imply that ghouls are usually without blood unless they have just been fed, or their master is expecting battle that day. And a ghoul would have a very limited usage of the blood for buffing/healing/using disciplines.

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Still a ghoul for the rest of the month but after the month ends... Ghouls can go feral. Think of the blood as a heavy drug and then think of a junky needing a fix.

Normal maintenance of a ghoul would be one blood point per month then, to keep them loyal and remembering who has their favorite drug of all times.
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genty:
Just like a Vampire then. This would imply that ghouls are usually without blood unless they have just been fed, or their master is expecting battle that day. And a ghoul would have a very limited usage of the blood for buffing/healing/using disciplines.

Yes. Thus the best way to defend ones self while asleap is to ghoul animals. (Dogs can be very very efective at this.) A good haven is hepfull to.

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Normal maintenance of a ghoul would be one blood point per month then, to keep them loyal and remembering who has their favorite drug of all times.

Thats why the ghoul book was call "fatal aditiction".
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Unless I'm not totally misstaken, ghouls use blood monthly rather than daily. Requiring daily feedings would demand way to much effort.
Also, I think in VtM you're a ghoul when you have vampiric blood in you, and a mortal when you don't; which would mean the lack of lethal soak and disciplines when out of blood, but probably restored when being filled up again.
The craving is, for all I can remember, quite much longer than a simple month, possibly even permanent.
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Unless I'm not totally misstaken, ghouls use blood monthly rather than dail

Please try and find some book/page or if its a normal house rule. My game as said will be in the dark ages, around 900-1000 probably. If its monthly the question arise regarding "one month without fresh blood and you are no longer a ghoul" part. Or maybe it should be read as (after the ghoul has spend all its Vite by burning it or x months without blood) it will take one month to be turned into a human again.
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OK the rules updated in the Ghoul book read as:

Until the ghoul holds 10 point of vitae. However a ghoul who wishes to maintain this state must feed nightly. If she misses more than three nights of feeding her body starts to reconvert its vitae at the rate of one Blood Point per three nights. [...] No matter what though the body always retains one Blood Point. [...] This last Blood Point is lost only after a full month.

Page 30 Ghoul Fatal Addiction.

Note: you can overdose a Ghoul and that starts another set of rules altogether. It is also good to note that you can leave Blood out for a Ghoul. Bottle it or put it in a item with a ritual.
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Ok, so the last point can not be burned but will vanish after one month, a ghoul burns one point every 3 days.
Thanks for checking!
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genty:
Facts:
1. After 1 month he will have 0 blood points in his system, reverting back to a human, his body aging 2 years, loosing his disciplines. Celerity will go first.
Not true hear. I looked it up if the ghoul in question is under 100 years of age you just resume aging. You don't just age two years.

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genty:
acts:
1. After 1 month he will have 0 blood points in his system, reverting back to a human, his body aging 2 years, loosing his disciplines. Celerity will go first.


Not quite. As has been said, the aging only happens if you've been a ghoul for more than 100 years. The disciplines do not disappear, even when you are without blood to fuel them. They athrophy after 6 months, with 1 month interval. That is he will loose Celerity after 6 months, Potence after 7. But after that first month, he can't use any of the disciplines, having 0 bp.

genty:
1. During this month, will his 3 blood points be absorbed by his body bit by bit (something like 1 per week) or will it all go away magically after 1 month?


Answered adequately already.

genty:
2. Will anything be affected by the amount of blood in his system during this month? I.e. will a ghoul with 1 blood point have a different experience from one with 10 blood points?


genty:
3. What happens if  he spends all of his blood, will he still be a ghoul for 1 month or will he just have the craving for 1 month?


Not really. But once he stops feeding, he will go through severe withdrawal symptoms lasting for (6-sta) weeks. And chances are he will never loose the craving for vitae.



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Not true hear. I looked it up if the ghoul in question is under 100 years of age you just resume aging. You don't just age two years.


Lets say someone has been a ghoul for 20 years then for simplicity's sake, being ghouled at age 30.
One month after he received his last drop of Vite, his body quickly ages to the correct age of 50, he will then continue to age normally.
Unless there are specific rules regarding how fast this aging takes place id go for a period of 5-10 days for suspension, especially if the ghoul is soon about to die of old age (100years+).
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Hod:
But after that first month, he can't use any of the disciplines, having 0 bp.

This includes Potence as well? A discipline not requiring blood to use? Would further explain why the last blood point stays in the system for an entire month.
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genty:
Lets say someone has been a ghoul for 20 years then for simplicity's sake, being ghouled at age 30.
One month after he received his last drop of Vite, his body quickly ages to the correct age of 50, he will then continue to age normally.


Not quite. One month after he received his last Vitae, his body start aging again, starting from age 30. It does not age him to his "correct" age of 50 at all. This is a benefit of being a ghoul. After all, there's plenty of drawbacks to balance it out.

genty:
Unless there are specific rules regarding how fast this aging takes place id go for a period of 5-10 days for suspension, especially if the ghoul is soon about to die of old age (100years+).


For those ghouls who have been so for over 100 years, the aging is at an increased rate, ten times (10x) the normal aging of humans. That is in one year, he will age 10, a little less than a year pr. month without Vitae. This increased rate is sustained until he reaches his "correct" age (which means he'll likely die within 5 years).

If your example ghoul was ghouled at the age of 30, and had been a ghoul for 100 years, he would age at this increased rate, giving him a life expectancy of about 5-6 years. That's enough to make any ghoul that old fear for his masters well being.

As for disciplines without blood, they do not work. So even if a ghoul might still have Potence (2-5 months after last Vitae), he can't actually use it until he is fed again.
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Hod is correct on all of his points.
STILL doing this shyte for way too long...
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Hod:
If your example ghoul was ghouled at the age of 30, and had been a ghoul for 80 years, he would age at this increased rate, giving him a life expectancy of about 5-6 years. That's enough to make any ghoul that old fear for his masters well being.
It is my belief that you need to BE a ghoul for over 100 years. If you ghoul your 80 year old maths professor for 30 years than after that he would just age normally.
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