Animal errata mixed all over the place.

In the book Blood of the wolf the pu the attributes of a great cat.

In the errata found here:

They list the Tiger... as being Size 6.

Yet in the book of the changing breeds p.77, they list the Tiger as being size 8 !!!

WDF !

I mean, size 6, and size 8 are much different.

What must I do ?  Take the average 7 and go that way ?

Im tempted to go with the size 8, as seing how much errors was found in the blood of the wolf book... still 8 is the same size as a Grizzly bear...

Ok, lets forget the rant... but an official bestiary would be cool.  Still, what do you think are the correct attributes and stats, including size of course, of a bengal or siberian tiger ?

I need it.

Thanks.

Setzer74:

Still, what do you think are the correct attributes and stats, including size of course, of a bengal or siberian tiger ?

Siberian tigers are actually bigger, though lighter, than grizzly bears.

Additionally, in the wild, bears and tigers really do fight sometimes and its just about 50/50 who wins.  I'd suggest a quick fix is using grizzly bear stats if you have them.

Setzer74:

They list the Tiger... as being Size 6.
Yet in the book of the changing breeds p.77, they list the Tiger as being size 8 !!!
WDF !

Fabio Sooner:

It's Changing Breeds, the biggest flop of nWoD. Simple as that. It's best used on its own, like the rest of the setting never really existed.

Changing Breeds has the tiger size correct. Tigers are fucking huge!

As patiently as the detractors of CB reiterate their hostility towards that book, I reiterate my favorite opinion - well, not about all the rules details, which are partly dubious, but about theme and mood and the general structure of it.

Fabio Sooner:

Simple as that.

Not as simple as that.  Its your off-topic opinion.  I happen to like Changing Breeds.

Setzer74:  Tigers as Size 8 seems correct to me as well.  Tigers are massive. 

My group and I use Size as a "general" indication of volume.
So taking that into account....

Look at a Uratha in war form..thats size 6 at least, iirc. Would a normal, unaltered tiger of any sort have that kind of volume. Unless theres some kind of species factor bonus, I cant see it being greater than size 6.

EDIT: from wikipedia:
"Reaching up to 3.3 metres (11 ft) in total length and weighing up to 300 kilograms (660 pounds), the larger tiger subspecies are comparable in size to the biggest extinct felids."

If that helps any.

Honestly there is a pretty big range regarding how big tigers are, depending on gender and subspecies.  Siberian (Amur) Tigers are much larger than Sumatran Tigers, for example, and males are much larger than females.  A female Sumatran Tiger can be under 200 lbs, where a male Siberian Tiger can weigh well over 500 lbs.

Of course most tigers in zoos are either Bengal Tigers or Siberian (Amur) Tigers, and those are the two largest subspecies.

yup and then there is the size differences between a black bear and a grizzly.  a black bear is a bit heavier than the average human (females weighing around 250lbs and males weighing up to 400) but very rarely taller than most of the taller guys running around (tallest ive seen was 6'4")

Setzer74:

They list the Tiger... as being Size 6.

Yet in the book of the changing breeds p.77, they list the Tiger as being size 8 !!!

Changing breed sizes are one larger than the actual animal sizes (A rat is NOT size 2) because nahual animal interpretations are grander than their mundane counterparts.  So... technically changing breed tigers are size 7.

Considering humans can range from size 4 to size 6 (Size is a rating of density and volume), this isn't such a big stretch.

I'd say go with size 7.

Darkness:

I happen to like Changing Breeds.

*pouts*

Gosh Fab. Didnt mean to offend.

*kicks stone as he slinks off into the Dunce corner.

*cries*

But, but, Tigers are different...oh, fine!

*slinks away as well*

Actually, I'd say the tiger discussion was significantly more on-topic than one regarding the quality of the Changing Breeds book.

What about ligers? those are monstrous gigantic!

Yeled:

But, but, Tigers are different...oh, fine!