clarification on 419 - LSJ

1) Multiple 419 Operations allow you to move multiple pool from yur prey right? So you get to decide for each one individually with regard to getting pool from your prey or transferring it to your own.  If your prey burns the edge he only burns one right? not all of them right?
2) Mata Hari can place one right?

blackday:

1) Multiple 419 Operations allow you to move multiple pool from yur prey right?

Each one produces an effect for itself, yes.

blackday:

So you get to decide for each one individually with regard to getting pool from your prey or transferring it to your own.

That's a better way to put it, yes.

blackday:

If your prey burns the edge he only burns one right? not all of them right?

Correct.

blackday:

2) Mata Hari can place one right?

Yes.

thanks just confirming it to be sure

oh yeah, heres just another clarification, if i should oust my prey while still in the untap phase due to multiple operation 419's can i assign the pool from my new prey to the yet unassigned 419's? I was thinking yes but need confirmation. Also should my prey be ousted can the new prey burn the edge and gain the pool and burn the 419 i was thinking yes.

blackday:

oh yeah, heres just another clarification, if i should oust my prey while still in the untap phase due to multiple operation 419's can i assign the pool from my new prey to the yet unassigned 419's? I was thinking yes but need confirmation. 

Yes.

blackday:

Also should my prey be ousted can the new prey burn the edge and gain the pool and burn the 419 i was thinking yes.

Yes (after you're finished handling all the 419's you want to handle -- you have priority in your own untap).

LSJ:

blackday:

Also should my prey be ousted can the new prey burn the edge and gain the pool and burn the 419 i was thinking yes.

Yes (after you're finished handling all the 419's you want to handle -- you have priority in your own untap).

Shouldn't the prey (or others, for that matter) be able to respond to the use of one 419?
I don't think there are any cards that would give you pool during someone else's untap phase, but we could always pretend that one exists. A master, location that said "tap to gain 3 pool".
Wouldn't such a card be usable after the acting methusaleh had used one of her 149's? Or is the entire untap phase to be considered one single timing window (meaning other methusaleh's can't do anything until the acting methusaleh states that she's done with her untap phase)?

Thinking about it, I suppose the same goes for any effect you can use during someone else's untap phase and it's not limited to poolgaining (even if that would be the most useful in the discussed situation).

henrik:

Shouldn't the prey (or others, for that matter) be able to respond to the use of one 419?

No. There is no response stack. Sequencing is prescribed in the rules.

Rulebook section 1.6.1.5:

Sequencing. If two or more players want to play a card or effect, the acting Methuselah plays first. At every stage, the acting player always has the opportunity to play the next card or effect. So after playing one effect, she may play another and another.

Rulebook link

henrik:

Or is the entire untap phase to be considered one single timing window (meaning other methusaleh's can't do anything until the acting methusaleh states that she's done with her untap phase)?

No. It works on the "pass" system. Once the acting player passes (decline to play an effect "right now"), the next player may play an effect. Once any player plays an effect, the order resets (with acting Methuselah getting the opportunity to play the next effect.)

LSJ:

It works on the "pass" system. Once the acting player passes (decline to play an effect "right now"), the next player may play an effect. Once any player plays an effect, the order resets (with acting Methuselah getting the opportunity to play the next effect.)

Ok. We've always been playing a bit more casual with those things, but it's good to get it in order. A small follow-up just to make sure I got it right:
If I control Heidelberg Castle, Germany and wishes to use it between two actions in methusaleh X's turn, would I be allowed to do that without X stating that she's not going to take any more actions (thus leaving me with the opportunity to decline using any effect and ending X's minion phase)?
We've always allowed things like that without the need to ask acting players for permission, but thinking about it in the light of this thread I'd say that we've been wrong about it.

henrik:

If I control Heidelberg Castle, Germany and wishes to use it between two actions in methusaleh X's turn, would I be allowed to do that without X stating that she's not going to take any more actions (thus leaving me with the opportunity to decline using any effect and ending X's minion phase)?

Yes. After an action ends, the acting Methuselah has the first opportunity to do something "between actions". If she declines, the opportunity passes to her prey (and so on around the table until it gets to you). When you activate the Castle, the order resets and the acting Methuselah again gets the opportunity to play something "between actions".

Once everyone has passes, then the acting Methuselah gets the opportunity to declare an action.

LSJ:

After an action ends, the acting Methuselah has the first opportunity to do something "between actions". If she declines, the opportunity passes to her prey (and so on around the table until it gets to you). When you activate the Castle, the order resets and the acting Methuselah again gets the opportunity to play something "between actions".

Once everyone has passes, then the acting Methuselah gets the opportunity to declare an action.

So there is a window for using effects "between actions" but no such window "between using effects in untap phase"?

henrik:

So there is a window for using effects "between actions" but no such window "between using effects in untap phase"?

By definition, an effect (X) cannot be used between one effect (A) and the one that follows it (B).

If you squeeze X in between A and the next effect, then X would be the effect that follows it.