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So anyone just ditch the whole Titan War thing?

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Eldagusto Posted: 5 Nov 2009 11:47 PM
Oh I don't mean get rid of the titans completely... but I mean all the Pantheons team up and fight the Titans... less toss that out.  Anyone just treat the titans as more similar to gods.  And really not divide the game by God vs Titans but more by each individual Gods best interest.  So say by this Method Thor would be willing to help out a Scion of Ra Against Apep because shucks he is a Friend to man and hates big snakes.  But he would oppose a Scion of Sutekh... because well there not much room for more then one Storm God in this city pilgrim...

Oh and omygod thats the Eldagusto!  *smoochsmooch*
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I do divide it titans vs gods for the most part, but the gods are definitely not all on the same side. 
They are constantly scheming against each other.
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So do you have things like Gaia being Evil?  And Titans all blatently being less grey area and more snivelly whiplashishly evil?
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God no, thats sounds awful.  Why would anyone do that?
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Well compared to literally every other product Whitewolf made it seems they tried to make the Titan vs God thing about Evil vs everybody else.   It made me a sad panda how one sided anything with a titan stamp is.
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They are forces of nature.  And mythologically, fairly one sided against the gods.  They arent one sided villians, but no villian should be.  Very few of the write ups for the titans are one sided like that, have you read them?    And ones like gaia specifically are fairly good natured.  Where are you getting this? 

Its not evil vs everyone else, its humanity vs nature.  Most gods are not any thing near what we would consider good in todays society, but they do want to survive, and they cant if the titans are free.
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but it is arbitrary to do the Titan vs God Split.  Pretty much everything in the books are Gods or Godbeasts.  I can see making the beastly divinities Titans.  But they arbitrarily placed most of the less popular Gods in the Titan Category, Like Aegir and his Family, pretty much all of the Aztec Titans... ect.  

Technically Only the Dodekatheon have Titans... and it is more like the Aesir are like ohh yeah we had Giant ancestors too... we hate them!  But the other Pantheons it doesn't fit as neatly.  The Loa Titan of Water is a benevolent Goddess that is actually still worshipped.

I am just saying look... does gaia have things like Rapacity and Malice as her divining Virtues?  Yes?  Well that seems very black and white... and why would she have anything Against Artemis?  Why would Surtur ally with her?


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Surtur doesnt ally against her.  The titans realms arent allied together.  Even in the same realm they arent allies.  And not all titans are bad, but if they are connected to titan realms they will be sucked in when that titan gets imprisoned.   Its not black and white at all, you are making it that way.  A lot of the titans and gods are very ambiguos. 
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Its not black and white at all, you are making it that way.  A lot of the titans and gods are very ambiguos. 


Agreed, the Titan conflict is much more complex then good versus evil or god versus titans.

I personally tend to emphasize this complexity when the pcs are dealing with the Titans and Titanspawn. It's part of a web of conflict, revenge and opposing concepts. Right and Wrong are subjective issues and none of the pantheons can even agree on a lot of issues and each is trying to be the supreme pantheon.
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I think the Titanwar works because it gives a good reason for everything to go to hell. The Gods have been sitting on the World for some time without mucking around too much...why now? The Titanomachy says because the Titans have burst out and nothing is the same anymore.

Pantheons may not get along. There are deep divides between the Pesedjet and the Dodekatheon. The Tuatha don't trust the Atzlanti, and the Devas are highly suspicious of the Tuatha. The CB won't even talk to the Amatsukami.

Going further, the gods are on the same side...in the sense that the USA and Soviet Union were in WWII, or even Chang Kai-Shek and Mao Zedong were both fighting the Japanese.  They did not necessarily get along, and they may actively work against each other. And there are plenty of reasons. Thor disliking Set because of rival storm gods makes sense. Horus may hate Tezcatlipoca as a god of Justice vs. evil. And of course Set and Horus are actively in opposition, and if your a Scion of Zeus Hera is probably trying to kill you.

Similarly, Erebus is more likely to work with a god then Mikaboshi. Prometheus will gladly betray Surtr under the right circumstances. And Shu's ultimate plans involve the death of the other Sky avatars...and thats just the beginning. The Titans do not get along well, and those are just within a single titan. Aten will not rest until everyone, god and titan alike bows their head to him, and Nu will never be satisfied till all is clear, peaceful water...devoid of anything but water, like, say, any other Avatar or even Greater Titan surviving!

In short, the battle lines are drawn and sides taken...but not necessarily in stone. The game hints it would be possible for the titans to woo Hel or Izanami, for instance...or the Gods to gain Prometheus, Erebus, or even Gaia as allies.  Overthrowing Zeus could mean putting someone in charge who would allow Gaias children into Olympus, and potentially turn many of Terra's avatars to the side of the Gods. Or Maybe Zeus could be convinced by feminine wiles, or, something.

And while Quetzocoatl or Tezcatlipoca are not interested in weakening their side too much, and both are aware the other is a potent weapon on the gods side, this does not means they wont devote a substantial amount of their resources toward thwarting each other.

The lines are drawn, but there is a lot of fighting among the gods and titans, and not just between the factions.



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