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Semi-Glories question: Why didn't they have Gaia take her sibs with her?

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BrilliantRain Posted: 7 Nov 2009 12:59 AM
After the Primordial War, Gaia left to wander the Wyld.  Why didn't they do that to the other Primordials too?  I mean, were the Primordials really that obsessive about Creation that they couldn't just build another one somewhere (and, ya know, maybe leave out the whole "free will" thing this time)?  Were the Gods really so scared of them that they didn't think just locking them out of the house would be sufficient?  Or was it something else?
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After the Primordial War, Gaia left to wander the Wyld.  Why didn't they do that to the other Primordials too?  I mean, were the Primordials really that obsessive about Creation that they couldn't just build another one somewhere (and, ya know, maybe leave out the whole "free will" thing this time)?  Were the Gods really so scared of them that they didn't think just locking them out of the house would be sufficient?  Or was it something else?


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Partially petty spite. Partially the fact that the other Primordials wouldn't have let it go, ever. So giving them infinite time and resources to figure out how to 'correct' things would be a majorly bad idea.

Think about it, the Ebon Dragon HAS to be a dick. Malfeas HAS to assert his complete dominion, SWLiHN would NEVER let such a hierarchial breech stand, et cet.
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Holy Crap yes!  Be afraid of them!  After all The Primordials were responsible for things like the Unconquered Sun and that was just their equivalent of houselights and homesecurity.  When they wanted to go to war a single one was enough to design the Exaltations, Primordial Contrivances of such power they can elevate a mortal to a Creation Stomping All Conquering Engine.  Now you want to release a few dozen you humiliated?  Well even with a good luck scenario they make another Creation, and that creation kicks the old Creations ass when they inevitably meet...
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We saw in the Aftershock War what a single Primordial, focused entirely around combat was capable of. It took the Exalted, at the height of the First Age, just over a century to beat him. And a lot of the Exalted died.

So now you have 23 of those guys? Yeah, the Gods and Exalted had good reason to be scared of the Primordials when they bound them into Malfeas.

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(a non-canon... though perhaps consistent with printed canon... theory)

Free, the Primordials have unlimited ability to create & alter the external universe against Creation.

Chained inside themselves/eachother they only have their own substance & the essence of their souls (and the souls of any one stupid enough to turn themselves over to them) to work with.
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Two main problems would arise from banishment:

1) It's easy to worm your way out of banishment oaths in the Wyld. "Malfeas may not enter Creation" can easily be sidestepped by just weaving yourself into something other than Malfeas - and the new entity Saeflam is free to invade just as much as he likes.

2) Can you imagine what the Balorian Crusade would have been like if the Fair Folk could ask Primordials for advice? For weapons? For behemoths? The Fair Folk are dangerous enough without having a bunch of super-powerful Creation-shaping primordials on their side.
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2) Can you imagine what the Balorian Crusade would have been like if the Fair Folk could ask Primordials for advice? For weapons? For behemoths? The Fair Folk are dangerous enough without having a bunch of super-powerful Creation-shaping primordials on their side.

The Fae dislike Creation.  They tend to dislike Solars, Lunars and the like.  You want them to cooperate with people who tortured and mutilated them and the proper order of the universe, solely so they could make a (granted amusing) lump of rock with dream factories on it?  If they could GET to Malfeas, they'd probably have focused the Crusade there after defeating Creation just to get revenge.
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Though they weren't killed, the Primordials weren't in very good condition after the War.  Sending half-dead titans into the dangers of the Wyld is basically a death sentence for them, isn't it?
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Though they weren't killed, the Primordials weren't in very good condition after the War.  Sending half-dead titans into the dangers of the Wyld is basically a death sentence for them, isn't it?

No real information on this.  Certainly they were terrified of getting murdered, not sure they were actually beaten down (besides their moral) though.
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After the Primordial War, Gaia left to wander the Wyld. 

I know this is kind of a nitpick, but I really don't think this was because of the War or that the Exalted banished her. She left, during the First Age as I understand it, to finish what she was working on before Cytherea roped her into the Creation plot, and also probably for the same reason Autochthon did: the Solars scared the fuck out of her (they'd beat the shit out of her [supposedly stronger] siblings, and were going crazy, so the fear was justified). Also, she did leave her humaniform jouten behind, so she's not totally gone, just keeping a low profile.
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"Isidiros, who had never known defeat, lay half-dead, drowning the armies of his conqueror's in his own blood"

I remember something like that.  Oramus was bound within his own wings, Adrian had her fetich soul killed and was turned into Adorjan.  The rest had "terrible wounds".  I'm pretty sure they didn't just surrender because some of them died, but because a lot of them were fucked up.
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  The ultimate answer is always "because the ST said so."  That isn't very helpful, though.

There are a multitude of possibilities.  Maybe the US's perfect virtues figured into it, they are great plot hole fillers along with everything else.  If Gaia asked them to be spared death, then the US may have said imprison them, then afterwards she decided to leave. Perhaps the Primordials decided it was in their best interest to remain bound rather than suffer the Wyld again, and tricked the gods.  Whenever you get into discussions about multiple, powerful beings there are almost endless possibilities, many of them contradictory.
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