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I disagree with Scully being better at investigating than Mulder.  Scully is good at finding facts... yes.  Mulder finds facts AND interprets what it means, and his mind goes to places Scully would never think to go.  It's irrelevant who does more leg work, all that you need to have a high investigate is the ablity to intrepret what you find as a clue.  Mulder may see your shoes untied and intrepret that as a clue, and Scully 90 percent of the time says... "Mulder I fail to see why that's relevant?" or "Mulder, what exactly are we looking at?".  Then Mulder comes up with some far fetched theory about how vampires untie peoples shoes, Something no normal person would connect as a clue, even if they did notice that their shoe laces were untied, and that's because he was an awesome investigator who usually found all the clues in the beginning and through decudtion figured out on some level what to expect.  Don't get me wrong Scully did notice things too, but even when she does notice something Mulder usually tells her what he thinks it means and he's right, but he can't yet prove it.  The entire theme of the X-files was that Mulder was right but no one but him believed.
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Lucy/Nyuu

Virtue: Hope
Vice: Wrath

Intellgence: 2
Wits: 4
Resolve: 4

Strength: 2
Dexterity: 4
Stamina: 3

Presence: 4
Manipulation: 2
Composure: 2

Mental Skills:
Academics: 1
Medicine: 3

Physical Skills:
Athletics: 3 (Speciality: Throwing)
Brawl: 5 (Speciality: Vectors)
Firearms: 1

Social Skills:
Empathy: 3
Intimidation: 4

Merits: Danger Sense, Ambudextrous (or Multidextrous?), Strikig Looks 2

Willpower: 6

Diclonism: 7 (Yep, thats the morality trait, now shut up)
Derangements: Multiple Personality. Whenever Lucy is treated in a way that corresponds with her Virtue she must suceed a Resolve + Composure roll or revert to the Nyuu personality. If Nyuu is treated in a way that would rouse her Vice, Resolve + Composure is rolled. Failure indicates she reverts to the Lucy Personality.

Vectors: 4
Vector Range: 2m (a bit more than 2 yrds)
Vector Strength: 5
Vector Dexterity: 4

Vectors ignore armour. Defense is ignored if the target is unaware of the Diclonius' abilities. Vectors may do either Lethal or Bashing Damage. An Exceptional Success on a Lethal Vector attack upgrades all damage done by the Exceptional attack to Aggravated Damage.

Vectors can be used to block bullets or other projectiles. After a Firearms or Athletics attack roll has ben made against the Diclonius and damage has been calculated, Vector quantity + Vector Dexterity is rolled. Successes remove the successes gained by the offensive roll on a one-for-one basis. While using this ability, the Diclonius can not perform any other action and can move only up to her speed. She maintains her Defense, however.

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Jesus

Virtue - Charity

Vice - Gluttony
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The Punisher

Age: 60s
Concept: Vigilante
Virtue: Justice
Vice: Wrath
Size: 5
Speed: 16
Initiative Modifier: +8
Defense: 3
Armor: 2/3 (-2)
Health: 9
Morality: 1
Willpower: 10

Intelligence: 2
Wits: 4
Resolve: 5

Strength: 3
Dexterity: 3
Stamina: 4

Presence: 4
Manipulation: 1
Composure: 5

Academics: 2
Computer: 1
Crafts: 3 - Specialties: Gunsmithing, Automotive
Investigation: 2
Medicine: 2
Science: 1

Athletics: 4
Brawl: 4
Drive: 3
Firearms: 5 - Specialties: All Conventional Weapons
Larceny: 3
Stealth: 4
Survival: 4
Weaponry: 3 - Specialties: Combat Style Knives, Impromptu Weapons

Empathy: 1
Intimidation: 5
Streetwise: 5
Subterfuge: 3 - Specialty: Impersonation

Merits

Languages: 2 (Taken roughly 3 times as Frank can speak a number of languages fairly fluently.)
Brawling Dodge
Fast Reflexes: 2
Boxing: 4
Kung Fu: 3
Gunslinger
Iron Stamina: 2
Quick Draw
Strong Back
Strong Lungs
Stunt Driver
Resources: 4 (He has a TON of cash stored up. More recent stories have downplayed this, but the bulk of Punisher mythos has him with stickpiles and storage units everywhere, multiple apartments/safehouses, and hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of dollars cash collecting dust.)
         

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Audrey St. John:
I think the problem here is assuming because he excels at one aspect of a skill that he must automatically have a 5 and that's not the case.

Mulder's lack of knowledge about major religions and cryptozoology as well as the aforementioned points that he knows nothing about magical rituals would preclude him from having a 5 Occult rating.  He doesn't write on the occult subjects he does know and other occult experts do not consult him for his expertise.  I'd probably give him a 4 by virtue of his photographic memory coupled with his extensive research into extraterrestrial and secret government projects.

I also wouldn't give him a 5 rating in Investigate.  If he's solved the case within the first 15 minutes, then he's done so with the information presented to him by those who already did the investigative legwork for him.  So he shows up and already knows what he's looking for because he decided what happened and anything to the contrary is just a distraction.  That makes him a great analyst but not a great investigator.  I'd give him a 3.  Scully does more actual investigative work than he does.


 

I'd be inclined to give Mulder a 3 in Occult and a couple Specializations (Parapsychology, Occult Conspiracies), but I guess I can see a 4.  He also has Politics 1 with a Specialization in Conspiracies. I agree with the 3 Investigate.

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For me Mulder is 5 Investigate 5 Occult, because anytime I watch that show he's pulling some feat of deduction out of his ass, then citing something he heard about voodoo shamans and I'm usually completely reliant on his say so that things are what he says because he's that good.  I have that exact same feeling when I watch the show House, he completely pulls something out of his ass that no normal human being would have thought of and I'm reliant on him to tell me what's happening

So that being said What 3 characters would be considered to have 5's in Investigate and 5's in Occult so I can gauge where your sense of what a 5 means to you
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I believe the inherent problem here is who is a four and how is a five-  If you say I want to give him a five caus ehe thought of something that other characters might not have thought of or that you yourself might not have thought of - well.... you have to ask what is the ambient rating and what is your rating... I  have watched plenty of movies and TV shows where everyone is like wow! and I knew that was exactly what I would have done- and people say--- Nooooo you couldn't have guessed that- and I am like okay whatever- And other times I am tottally impressed by the way some simple charcter gets out of something- so you never can tell--- I think that we should all make a list of 4 or 5 characters that are "fives" in something. ----and then we could have a basis for something like that- the way Hannibal escapse in scilence of the lambs- could be considered wits 5 - or it could be "penaltied" because he probably would be the only one who could and would have done that- scary.
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The general treatment procedure used House is that the patients he treats don't respond to traditional care in the first place.  And much of it is just "Let's see if they respond to this treatment... no?  Try this then." until he kills them or cures them.  He's killed a fair amount of patients so I wouldn't say he has a 5 Investigate either.

A 5 in Occult would depend largely on the setting.  Imhotep from the Mummy could possibly qualify.  He was a high priest, capable of enacting rituals to resurrect the dead, summon undead creatures, demonstrated control over the four elements and had more than a passing familiarity with some of the religious customs of the Hebrews.  Dr. Doom and Dr. Strange from Marvel comics could also qualify. 

5 Investigate - Sherlock Holmes maybe.  He's consulted by people all over the world, he does his own investigative work himself then applies deductive reason from there instead of forming a conclusion then collecting evidence.
Detective Bobby Goren maybe.  He's skilled at interrogating witnesss, picking apart inconsistancies in their stories and figuring out what happened based on forensic evidence presented.

Though honestly I'd be more likely to give them 4s with specialties and allow them to situationally use cross specialties from other skills.  Sherlock Holmes diminishes his potential by indulging his cocaine and opium addiction and Detective Goren quite frankly isn't infallible with his interrogation and character observations.
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Yes. The way I tell my players is that at "3" you are very good at what you do- you have trained very hard and had some good experience in what you do."Wesley Snipes- martial artist" or "Shia LeBouf- acting".  At "4" you are well known throughout the field and it should be reflected in your character's daily routine. - you are the "Jason Statham" or "Edward Norton" of your field.    At "5" your name should be synonomus with what it is you have a 5 in- you are the "Bruce Lee" or "Robert DeNiro" of your field.   These examples are OF COURSE interchangeable- but we all in my group are in agreement about those examples- ( well I personally can't stand LeBouf- but whatever)
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5 in Investigate:  Sherlock Holmes, Gil Grissom (CSI), Batman.

5 in Occult:  Dr. Strange (or similar comic-book mages), Rupert Giles, John Constantine.

Mulder is very intelligent and has a very good Occult (3, I'd say), with some specializations, but as others have noted, he is lacking knowledge in many other areas, particularly in regard to things like magic, demonology and the like.
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5 Investigate - Sherlock Holmes maybe.  He's consulted by people all over the world, he does his own investigative work himself then applies deductive reason from there instead of forming a conclusion then collecting evidence.
Detective Bobby Goren maybe.  He's skilled at interrogating witnesss, picking apart inconsistancies in their stories and figuring out what happened based on forensic evidence presented.

Yeah, I'd give Goren a 4, with specializations in crime scene analysis, profiling and logical inference.  He also has Intimidation (Interrogation, Leading Questions) 3, Academics (Psychology) 3, the Encyclopedic Knowledge Merit and that Merit (Well-Traveled) from Reliquary that grants partial fluency in a crapload of languages from cheap.

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Audrey St. John:
The general treatment procedure used House is that the patients he treats don't respond to traditional care in the first place.  And much of it is just "Let's see if they respond to this treatment... no?  Try this then." until he kills them or cures them.  He's killed a fair amount of patients so I wouldn't say he has a 5 Investigate either.

A 5 in Occult would depend largely on the setting.  Imhotep from the Mummy could possibly qualify.  He was a high priest, capable of enacting rituals to resurrect the dead, summon undead creatures, demonstrated control over the four elements and had more than a passing familiarity with some of the religious customs of the Hebrews.  Dr. Doom and Dr. Strange from Marvel comics could also qualify. 

5 Investigate - Sherlock Holmes maybe.  He's consulted by people all over the world, he does his own investigative work himself then applies deductive reason from there instead of forming a conclusion then collecting evidence.
Detective Bobby Goren maybe.  He's skilled at interrogating witnesss, picking apart inconsistancies in their stories and figuring out what happened based on forensic evidence presented.

Though honestly I'd be more likely to give them 4s with specialties and allow them to situationally use cross specialties from other skills.  Sherlock Holmes diminishes his potential by indulging his cocaine and opium addiction and Detective Goren quite frankly isn't infallible with his interrogation and character observations.


So to have a 5 in something you have to be supernatural that's what it seems like it boils down to with your rationale for having a 5 in something.  Their are no Doogie Housers in the world.  Seems like you have to be famous and supernatural to be excellent at something, and you can't ever consult people.  Though that's just what it seems like, I'm sure that's not exactly what you meant.  I give super hero's 6's in things because they're usually better than a person could be in real life
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Yes. The way I tell my players is that at "3" you are very good at what you do- you have trained very hard and had some good experience in what you do."Wesley Snipes- martial artist" or "Shia LeBouf- acting".  At "4" you are well known throughout the field and it should be reflected in your character's daily routine. - you are the "Jason Statham" or "Edward Norton" of your field.    At "5" your name should be synonomus with what it is you have a 5 in- you are the "Bruce Lee" or "Robert DeNiro" of your field.   These examples are OF COURSE interchangeable- but we all in my group are in agreement about those examples- ( well I personally can't stand LeBouf- but whatever)


You're right.  I'll do my stat ranking

1 - Anybody
2 - A person that trained
3 - A person that trained and probably is good at their job
4 - A person that is considered good at there skill by people that do the job
5 - A person that is pretty much the best you can possibly be at a thing

Investigate levels

1 - Anybody
2 - Anybody
3 - Scully, Angel (from Buffy), Winchesters
4 - Jack Bauer, Michael Weston ((Burn Notice)), Batman ((from the movies))
5 - Mulder, Hannibal Lector, Monk, Jason Bourne, Sherlock Holmes

People over 5's Ozymandias,Comic Book Batman

Occult Level's

1 - Anybody
2 - Anybody
3 - Any Descent hunters, The Winchesters, Spike
4 - Indiana Jones
5 - Bobby (Supernatural), Giles, Constantine((I agreed with)) Mulder

People over 5's Doctor Who

Also we have to contend with the universes they live in.  In some of the worlds they live in Supernaturals are more common so knowing about supernaturals is more common then other setting.  Giles deals with creatures that are actually very public compared to Mulder or Bobby so for them to know what something is is actually more of a feat then Giles

Speaking of Giles I stated the people from Angel
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Innerlight:
Also we have to contend with the universes they live in.  In some of the worlds they live in Supernaturals are more common so knowing about supernaturals is more common then other setting.  Giles deals with creatures that are actually very public compared to Mulder or Bobby so for them to know what something is is actually more of a feat then Giles

Speaking of Giles I stated the people from Angel


Thing with Giles, yes, the supernatural is more accessible than in some other settings, but Giles has an incredible working knowledge of a lot of things, including ritual magic, how to activate an array of magical items, secret societies and so forth, plus the ability to recognize, translate and in some cases speak some dead (and even extradimensional) languages. 

I'd be interested in seeing the statting you did for the Angel cast.
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Thing with Giles, yes, the supernatural is more accessible than in some other settings, but Giles has an incredible working knowledge of a lot of things, including ritual magic, how to activate an array of magical items, secret societies and so forth, plus the ability to recognize, translate and in some cases speak some dead (and even extradimensional) languages. 


I agree 100% on that issue

The Tv Show Angel


Angel

Virtue - Temperance ((I say temperance only because in all the shows he's been in he's the only character that didn't go through any significant change, he's a rock))

Vice - Wrath ((He gets hot, then he sulks it off then he's ok))

Str5
Dex4
Stam5
Int3 (He's smart, but not that smart)
Wits3
Res4 (Like I say he gets pissed off at you walks it off for a while then he drops it)
Pres3 (he takes on persona's)
Man2
Comp4 (He's been broke but he always bounces back eventually)

Occult3 Investigate3 Politics1 Craft3(art)

Brawl5 Weaponry5 Surviavl1 (foraging) Stealth4 Athletics4 Larceny1 (token score)

Intimidate4 Persuasion2 Subterfuge3 Streetwise2 Empathy2

Gunn

Virtue - Fortitude ((I've never seen him change his ideals in the course of the show. He never had an evil phase. He's always had a firm grasp on his morality

Vice - Wrath

Str3
Dex3
Stam3 (Gunn is above average in all physical)
Int2
Wits3
Res4 (He doesn't back down, even to Angel that could kick his ass)
Pre2
Man2
Comp4 (I'd almost say 5 because he's never just broke down once in the show, but I don't think he's ever been tortured, so I wanted to be safe with 4)

Occult1(vampires)
Politics1 (He seems to now bare minumual of whats going on in that respect)
Investigate2

Brawl4 (Come on he's a human and he bangs with vampires
Weaponry4 (See Brawl)
Drive2, Athletics3 (He's always running and shooting crossbows) Survival1 Stealth2 Firearms1
Gunn Larceny1 ((He was alright at it

Persuasion2( He ran his own hunter club)
Intimidate3 Subterfuge1 Empathy1
Streetwise4 (Gunn always says hey I'm going to hit the streets, and bam he comes back with something)

I'll do more in a min, and if anybody wants to fill in the blanks go ahead



More Angel people

Wes

Virtue - Prudence ((He always is thinking ahead, at least compared to all the people he rolls with))

Vice - Pride ((I say pride because of how much he whined when all his friends got pissed at him he stole a baby. WTF did you expect they were going to do, then he didn't want to help them directly because of his pride))

Str2
Dex3
Stam2
Int4 (He's smart as hell)
Wits3
Res3
Pres2
man2
Comp3

Academics4
Occult5 ((Dude he can cast spells from books)
Investigate2
Politics2

Brawl3
Weaponry3 (He became more of a badass in the later episodes, he was such a pussy in the beginning)
Firearms3 (he was pretty damn good with guns towards the end of the show)
Athletics3
Stealth2
Larceny1

Suberfuge3 (towards the end of the show his allegiances were in serious question) Empathy1 Persuasion1 Social2 Intimidate1

Fred

Virtue ?

Vice Wrath (Two times she's flipped out, one on Connor the other on the dude that sent her to the hell planet)

Str2
Dex2
Stam2
Int5 (Their should be no disputes in this)
Wits4 (She seems to be off the cuff with applications and devices)
Res2
Pre2
Man2
Comp1 (Fred goes off the deep end regularly. It doesn't take much to freak her out and have her writing on the wall)


Academics3(Science related)(Good but not as good as Wes)
Science5 (physics)(She's good enough to get her original theories stolen, come on)
Computer1

Weaponry1 Athletics1 Survival3(she lived on hell planet)

Socialize1 (She was a wierdo, that really got by on her charm)
Persuasion1
Empathy1

Lorne

Virtue Hope(he was all about helping people on their path

Vice Sloth (he never helped, until it was the last possible option)

Cordelia

Virtue - Fortitude ((She got her mind set on something she didn't change it all that much. I'd almost go with temperance, but she changed to much over all. Her base ideals pretty much ))

Vice - Greed ((That's really a no brainer))   


Oh and I altered Wesley's Subterfuge from the past list I had from 1 to 3, because he certainly got better at it towards the end of the show

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Those are pretty good, no major disagreement on my part.  I'd probably up Angel's Presence and Manipulation by 1 each (he can be pretty impressive and quite a charmer when he tries), and Gunn's Presence by 1 (he makes a strong first impression.

Lorne would have Pre 3, Manipulation 3, Composure 3,  Expession (Singing) 2, Empathy 3, Socialize 3, Persuasion (Fast Talk) 2, Subterfuge (Misdirection) 2 and Occult (demons, demon dimensions) 2
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So to have a 5 in something you have to be supernatural that's what it seems like it boils down to with your rationale for having a 5 in something.  Their are no Doogie Housers in the world.  Seems like you have to be famous and supernatural to be excellent at something, and you can't ever consult people.  Though that's just what it seems like, I'm sure that's not exactly what you meant.  I give super hero's 6's in things because they're usually better than a person could be in real life


I rarely use anything above 5 because anything 6+ is limited to supernatural creatures and they only keep that 6 so long as their power trait is 6+, and everyday skills, in my opinion, should not arbitrarily drop just because their gnosis or azoth is spent on a ritual.  And even in the case of supernatural entities, I rarely see them possessing everyday skills at levels far beyond human capability to warrant a 6.

Those at 3 and 4 in a given skill should already have some renown either on a local level or by those who follow that field.  Once you hit 5 you should be known on a national or international level by others in your field, or in the case of supernaturals, been practicing so long.  I don't believe everyone who excels in something is entitled to a 5.
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