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Emyunoxious
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:01:52 PM(UTC)
#1

YOU MAD.

Compacts & Conspiracies makes the same problem that most World of Darkness books make. They only deal with the organizations found in the core book. These groups exist only within those supplements and are never dealt with again.

The same problem happened with Winter Masques for Changeling. In there, several new kiths are introduced. The core book kiths are treated again many times, most notably in Equinox Road, but the WM kiths aren't brought up again. This is a major problem that I see with how these books are written. 

That's why.
FUCK YOU ^___^
silentblood
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:13:38 PM(UTC)
#2

"Emyunoxious" wrote:
Compacts & Conspiracies makes the same problem that most World of Darkness books make. They only deal with the organizations found in the core book. These groups exist only within those supplements and are never dealt with again.



The same problem happened with Winter Masques for Changeling. In there, several new kiths are introduced. The core book kiths are treated again many times, most notably in Equinox Road, but the WM kiths aren't brought up again. This is a major problem that I see with how these books are written. 




That's why.




That's kind of the point. It's the design philosophy of the nWoD, so all you need is the corebooks plus any supplements you may desire. Each book is designed with the idea that you might not have book X in order to use book Y. The idea is the game is supposed to be a "toolbox"
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Emyunoxious
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:17:48 PM(UTC)
#3

"silentblood" wrote:
That's kind of the point. It's the design philosophy of the nWoD, so all you need is the corebooks plus any supplements you may desire. Each book is designed with the idea that you might not have book X in order to use book Y. The idea is the game is supposed to be a "toolbox"

That's really not a good, or even related, argument. They could still write information about the supplementary c&c, and people that don't have those books wouldn't need to read it. Hell, the books are already presented in such a way that you can download specific chapters for the groups you're interested in. The Knights of Saint George don't exist in your game? Fine, don't get that chapter. Or get all of them, and don't look at it. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't write it, because some people want the elaboration. This has nothing to do with making the game accessible.
FUCK YOU ^___^
Christiangoth
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 5:37:37 PM(UTC)
#4

"Emyunoxious" wrote:




That's really not a good, or even related, argument. They could still write information about the supplementary c&c, and people that don't have those books wouldn't need to read it. Hell, the books are already presented in such a way that you can download specific chapters for the groups you're interested in. The Knights of Saint George don't exist in your game? Fine, don't get that chapter. Or get all of them, and don't look at it. But that doesn't mean they shouldn't write it, because some people want the elaboration. This has nothing to do with making the game accessible.

It actually does.  The cost goes up as the produced material goes up.  If I don't have Witch Finders then I don't want to be paying for a Knights of St. George section which assumes I have introductory material on the Knights of St. George.



At any rate, you've explained your feeling that it would be valuable to you to have an exploration of the Knights of St. George and you would like to own that.  This does not make it clear to me why a book discussing the core orgs is not appealing to you.  Isn't an exploration of Task Force: Valkyrie as useful as one of the Knights of St. George?  Why not get the exploration of Task Force: Valkyrie, then?
glamourweaver
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 6:43:07 PM(UTC)
#5

"Emyunoxious" wrote:
Compacts & Conspiracies makes the same problem that most World of Darkness books make. They only deal with the organizations found in the core book. These groups exist only within those supplements and are never dealt with again.

The same problem happened with Winter Masques for Changeling. In there, several new kiths are introduced. The core book kiths are treated again many times, most notably in Equinox Road, but the WM kiths aren't brought up again. This is a major problem that I see with how these books are written. 

That's why.

I would like to see expansions of some of the supplement material via pdfs, but the core material is the core material for a reason.  They're central, the other stuff is expansions.  The NWoD was built on the premise of a toolbox setting where you don't need supplement (x) for supplement (y) to be useful.
NeuroToxin
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 7:11:12 PM(UTC)
#6

"glamourweaver" wrote:
"Emyunoxious" wrote:
Compacts & Conspiracies makes the same problem that most World of Darkness books make. They only deal with the organizations found in the core book. These groups exist only within those supplements and are never dealt with again.



The same problem happened with Winter Masques for Changeling. In there, several new kiths are introduced. The core book kiths are treated again many times, most notably in Equinox Road, but the WM kiths aren't brought up again. This is a major problem that I see with how these books are written. 




That's why.






I would like to see expansions of some of the supplement material via pdfs, but the core material is the core material for a reason.  They're central, the other stuff is expansions.  The NWoD was built on the premise of a toolbox setting where you don't need supplement (x) for supplement (y) to be useful.






You cant have it both ways, can't whine about metaplots and then also about the lack of them. In the end what counts is using these books to supplement your game



As much as i'm sure some of us would like more WoD books for fiction I think the majority reads them more for the ideas in them and the story pieces just add to the overall feel but otherwise are usually not a whole canon fiction for people to keep track on.



In most other books there is usually no real reason to mention these subsects
Zakariya Bey
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 8:51:01 PM(UTC)
#7
As others have said, one of the main development ideas running through the nWoD is that players aren't expected to have every book. The supplements are all optional. So Les Mysteries, the Knights of St. George and the others might not even exist. Even if they do, don't forget that many of those groups are so narrow in focus that they really don't need to be mentioned in all games. The Knights of St. George don't really care about werewolves or vampires. Why mention them then?



Now, I will point out that there are exceptions to this. Especially with vampire, certain Bloodlines and factions do get mentioned elsewhere, as appropriate, but these are always pretty brief and specific.



I still plan on buying Compacts and Conspiracies when it comes out. I happened to like several of the core groups, and felt they could really use some more expansion. But if they put out another suppelement further detailing Les Mysteries or the Knights of St. George, I would probably buy that too. I wouldn't mind seeing the Kiths and Celestial Courts from Winter Masques getting a similar treatment either. In fact, I get a feeling any such material would almost have to be .pdf supplements.
Christiangoth
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:25:20 PM(UTC)
#8

"Zakariya Bey" wrote:
I still plan on buying Compacts and Conspiracies when it comes out.
You must have missed the news.  It was released today.  You can buy a bundle of the whole thing or buy individual orgs.  If you want them all then the bundle is cheaper.
Hades10
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 9:25:28 PM(UTC)
#9
Well Zakariya, Compacts and Conspiracies is already out(as a pdf. it won't get printed).
SKELORIC
Wednesday, May 12, 2010 11:40:14 PM(UTC)
#10
"Hades10" wrote:
Well Zakariya, Compacts and Conspiracies is already out(as a pdf. it won't get printed).



At least not until the POD product gels.
cobrawax
Thursday, May 13, 2010 12:14:16 AM(UTC)
#11

Damn. I liked the Knights of St.George to the point where any previous liking for the other compacts and conspiracies has faded away. Though I guess I might still get the PDF if I ever have the chance. I can't even remember too well which group I liked before them.
Blunt Vorpal
Thursday, May 13, 2010 7:34:47 AM(UTC)
#12
Meh.   For the most part, all the other Compacts and Conspiracies released are far too devoted to a specific supernatural for me to care about them.    Plus, for the most part, I can see ways to shoehorn and merge the supplemental groups into the core 12 as factions.   I'm happy with things the way they are.   Here's my $7 dollars for the pdf.
TechnocratJT
Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:13:46 AM(UTC)
#13


Go get your other books.



Open up to the other four conspiracies. Take a look at how much we know about them from those books. We know the entire history and crazy of St. George. We know about Vascu's super-max prison and how..unusual thier director may be. We don't "know" about the Canites, but we get a very long set of options (ok, we sorta do know now, but its in a vampire product).



We did not really have details like this for the base 6.



Now, we don't get a ton on the other compacts, but wow they are all narrow band aren't they? The base 6 compacts are a bit more varied and far flung than the ones that came latter, but we had about the same amount of info on their histories.



This product does not ignore the others, it brings the base 12 to the level they probably should have been in the core if the core had room for another 100 pages.

Christiangoth
Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:25:56 PM(UTC)
#14

"TechnocratJT" wrote:
We don't "know" about the Canites, but we get a very long set of options (ok, we sorta do know now, but its in a vampire product).
Really?  Which Vampire product?
silentblood
Thursday, May 13, 2010 5:36:05 PM(UTC)
#15

The Cainite Heresy begun in Rome, they are detailed in both Fall of the Camarilla and Requiem for Rome.
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cobrawax
Thursday, May 13, 2010 6:20:31 PM(UTC)
#16

"Blunt Vorpal" wrote:
Meh.   For the most part, all the other
Compacts and Conspiracies released are far too devoted to a specific
supernatural for me to care about them.    Plus, for the most part, I
can see ways to shoehorn and merge the supplemental groups into the
core 12 as factions.   I'm happy with things the way they are.   Here's
my $7 dollars for the pdf.


Well I guess they aren't as versatile, so I guess that may restrict how many different kinds of chronicles or whatever you can have, but there's probably a way around it with a little creativity. Though that is a good price.
"TechnocratJT" wrote:


Open up to the other four conspiracies. Take a look at how much we know about them from those books. We know the entire history and crazy of St. George. We know about Vascu's super-max prison and how..unusual thier director may be. We don't "know" about the Canites, but we get a very long set of options (ok, we sorta do know now, but its in a vampire product).



We did not really have details like this for the base 6.



Now, we don't get a ton on the other compacts, but wow they are all narrow band aren't they? The base 6 compacts are a bit more varied and far flung than the ones that came latter, but we had about the same amount of info on their histories.



This product does not ignore the others, it brings the base 12 to the level they probably should have been in the core if the core had room for another 100 pages.
I guess. All they need is the factions part, but I guess that's almost self explanatory, so I could do it myself. Maybe I will. I do like the other compacts though. Mostly because of the artwork, but they had some good ideas.
DVUS
Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:09:55 PM(UTC)
#17
I got the PDF as soon as I knew it was out.  I love Hunter.  While the information is cool and will certainly be useful, it's not necessary. 



And, I've read the smaller compacts/conspiracies and they are very narrow and could be folded into other groups.



Just because you'd like to see more treatment of obscure groups doesn't mean you should boycott the other books.
Christiangoth
Thursday, May 13, 2010 9:45:25 PM(UTC)
#18

"DVUS" wrote:
Just because you'd like to see more treatment of obscure groups doesn't mean you should boycott the other books.
That was my point when I asked the OP why not buy information on TF:V just because there was no additional information on The Knights of St. George.  You and I are on the same page.
cobrawax
Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:26:56 PM(UTC)
#19

That's a weird way of wording it.

Though you're all right about the information for the other compacts and Knights of St. George already being there. You could look at with the point of view by someone who just got into the conspiracy and it would basically be the same as what they did in the pdf. It basically says secrets of the faction in the faction description, but you could probably come up with something more specific or at least something plausible.



DVUS
Thursday, May 13, 2010 11:03:24 PM(UTC)
#20
"Christiangoth" wrote:
You and I are on the same page.




Yeah, I just wanted to participate.  :D



However, it would be cool to maybe see some more information on those other groups.  I'll bet there's a bunch of fan-created material.  And if not, there will be.
Atavist
Friday, May 14, 2010 12:40:02 AM(UTC)
#21
I was of a split mind at first.  Only having a pdf (and no laptop so not a book I could carry around) is kinda limiting.  But the price of like 7 bucks is nice compared to 3-4 times that needed for an actual book.  Then I looked at the sample (which contains the table of contents, credits, and fluff) and wasn't impressed, it didn't tell much.  So I looked further, and found I can buy whichever chapter I want for less than a dollar.  Which is like, a good deal.  And looking at the samples of those chapters, it does show information regarding sub-groups within the compacts and conspiracies.  There's not huge tracts of information but a decent amount considering how many pages there are in total.
Emyunoxious
Friday, May 14, 2010 4:37:42 AM(UTC)
#22

"Christiangoth" wrote:
That was my point when I asked the OP why not buy information on TF:V just because there was no additional information on The Knights of St. George.  You and I are on the same page.

... Because I don't give a fuck about TF:V. Where did TF:V come from? I don't need anymore information on them. Apparently, you guys do, and that's great. I'm all for them writing more about all of the C&Cs.

I'm commenting on the problem that I have with how White Wolf, while claiming to have no canon, treats the content in the core book as more canon than others. None of those groups are canon, either, and there's no reason they should completely ignore all content outside of the core.
FUCK YOU ^___^
Seryna
Friday, May 14, 2010 5:31:24 AM(UTC)
#23
You confuse me. There doesn't have to be a cannon. The core contains all of the things you need to run Hunter, from how to make new tactics to the general information about the first C&C. If you want more information about the Knights, good. Make it up. Your the ST in your game, find a good story and lay it out for your players.  Whitewolf has certainly given you the tools to do that.



Boycotting this will certainly make them realize they need to go write up a whole other PDF for all of the nice goodies they were good enough to put in the other supplements. Good luck with that.

glamourweaver
Friday, May 14, 2010 6:31:23 AM(UTC)
#24

Did you happen to notice how the Knights, the Cainities, VASCU, & Les Mysteres each got about five times the word count of any of the core book Conspiracies?

Core book material is "more canon" (to use your... fairly inaccurate.... terminology) because the writer of (product x) can safely assume that everyone playing Hunter: the Vigil has access to the core book.  They can not make that assumption about Witch Finders.  So the Knights material (which is either going to drive up the price by driving up word count, or steal word count from somewhere else) would end up relatively devaluing the product to a substantial portion of buyers.

Supplement expansions are not out of the question & can be a cool idea, but they should be that specifically.
Christiangoth
Friday, May 14, 2010 7:49:40 AM(UTC)
#25

"Emyunoxious" wrote:
I'm commenting on the problem that I have with how White Wolf, while claiming to have no canon, treats the content in the core book as more canon than others.
Actually, the introductory section of Compacts and Conspiracies contains a paragraph beginning "each compact or conspiracy is an island" in which the author explicitly states that no particular compacts or conspiracies are assumed to exist by default.  This instead means that information on each of the core twelve is presented to expand the storyteller options for what to put into any given chronicle, not to treat anything as more important than anything else.
Slasherfan
Friday, May 14, 2010 9:15:32 AM(UTC)
#26
You must be kidding. Add more detail to factions outside the core book?



As the game line grows, and supplements continue to be released, each supplement may include new compacts and so forth. If every supplement's *optional* new faction(s) has to be discussed in even more exacting detail, do you have *any* idea how absurdly convoluted things will be by the time we get to next December?



I for one am grateful that I won't be seeing a "Clanbook Aswang" or "Conspiracy Book: Cainite Heresy".



It would be the height of absurdity to have a source book one year down the road where a new compact or antagonist is presented, and have it be followed by some 30 odd pages detailing how each and every other faction from the Hunt Club to Generic Secret Group 29 will react to it. Imagine that, really, just imagine that for a moment.



"This new antagonist is called a Hubblydock. This is how TSV deals with it. This is what Cheiron thinks. This is what the Knights have to say. Here's what the Cainite heresy figures. This is what VASCU will do...etc."



The player who then doesn't have those relevant source books would skip all that, paying money for writing he doesn't want or need.



I for one do not see any need for further elaboration on optional factions. When I buy a source book, I want (1) a good read and (2) fresh information, not deeper detail on how many paperclips the Knights of St. George will buy to makes files on New Monster #32
glamourweaver
Friday, May 14, 2010 9:38:34 AM(UTC)
#27

As I've said, expanding on the supplement groups could be quite cool, but this supplement wasn't a place for it.  A pdf dedicated to that purpose (or individual purposes) would be more appropriate.
shadowlost
Friday, May 14, 2010 10:22:54 AM(UTC)
#28

I'm not buying it...cause I already bought it...so there.
c34r34lk1ll3r
Friday, May 14, 2010 11:42:09 AM(UTC)
#29

"shadowlost" wrote:
I'm not buying it...cause I already bought it...so there.





I'm not buying it.... yet.  I gotta get some extra cash first.  Got $70 in my bank account and that has to last me until I can find a job.
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Blunt Vorpal
Friday, May 14, 2010 11:54:36 AM(UTC)
#30
Actually, I'm stuck debating if I'm going to buy the full book, or just some of the individual ones.   I've always disliked the AKD, Union, and Long Night, and really don't care if they're expanded.   And I particularly don't care if a few of the other compacts, like the Null Mysteriis, remain as they are.



So I'm stuck wondering if I should buy the other ones individually or just get it all in one shot.    I mean, it is only $7, and having a single reference document is much easier to have than multiple...  but waste not, want not.  

TheFurryMekhet
Friday, May 14, 2010 12:44:58 PM(UTC)
#31
As I saw this book a thought struck me; do the compacts really need endowments?



Now, I have not read the book so I don't know how powerful or not these endowments are but wasn't it supposed to be a conspiracy thing to have them? After all, the compacts provide small social bonuses as they are written in the core.



What do people (especially you who have read some of C&C) think of the endowments for the compacts? I'd really like to know what they do to affect a compact driven story.
machineiv
Friday, May 14, 2010 1:15:40 PM(UTC)
#32
"TheFurryMekhet" wrote:
As I saw this book a thought struck me; do the compacts really need endowments?

Now, I have not read the book so I don't know how powerful or not these endowments are but wasn't it supposed to be a conspiracy thing to have them? After all, the compacts provide small social bonuses as they are written in the core.

What do people (especially you who have read some of C&C) think of the endowments for the compacts? I'd really like to know what they do to affect a compact driven story.

One is vaguely supernatural in nature. The rest are basically very functional merits, like the ability to throw awesome parties. 

So not only do I think they are excellent additions to Hunter, I can see using most of them elsewhere. I'll be damned if I'm not using the Bacchanal Merit in my Vampire games. I know some Carthian players that would love the Union's neighbors Merit. The Thule Endowment, "Unearthed Secrets" could fit wonderfully into a Mage chronicle. 
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Rindel
Friday, May 14, 2010 2:37:21 PM(UTC)
#33
I think this is a great book and a great addition to Hunter. It's about time we had something new, just wish it was hardback..

 

I'm also looking at using the new merit endowments in other systems like Mage, Vampire etc.
machineiv
Friday, May 14, 2010 2:40:09 PM(UTC)
#34
"Rindel" wrote:
I think this is a great book and a great addition to Hunter. It's about time we had something new, just wish it was hardback..

I'm also looking at using the new merit endowments in other systems like Mage, Vampire etc.

From a completely practical standpoint, an 80 page book really doesn't work in hardcover format. The cover would be heavier than the content of the book. I could see maybe a softcover. Maybe.
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Hades10
Friday, May 14, 2010 2:46:52 PM(UTC)
#35
The only thing I didn't like about the book is the confirmation that Task Force Valkyrie is funded by vampires. Soo boring and unoriginal.
Crazy_Ivan
Friday, May 14, 2010 2:57:09 PM(UTC)
#36
"Hades10" wrote:
The only thing I didn't like about the book is the confirmation that Task Force Valkyrie is funded by vampires. Soo boring and unoriginal.




Well, that was almost confirmed in Nightstalkers already, so no surprise there. And if you don't like it, just change it. I've changed MM, Lucifuge and TF:V to fit my vision, and gamer police propably won't kick my door down.
Slasherfan
Friday, May 14, 2010 3:03:46 PM(UTC)
#37
It's funded by Vampires. Do the Kindred really control them?



Hunters who survive long enough to become Conspiracy leaders may be (and I say may be) cunning enough to take the money and pretend they are under control, even as they secretly plan to really strike at the Kindred. An internal schism in an organization that huge and labyrinthine might make for an interesting story.

cobrawax
Friday, May 14, 2010 3:41:09 PM(UTC)
#38

Or maybe the conspiracy leaders can't completely control the individual cells and they just take the money even though they couldn't control the organization as well as those vampires think.

Or  they just help out other organizations who would want to take out vampires, in a way that lets them deny responsibility for it.

Tier_Three
Friday, May 14, 2010 4:38:26 PM(UTC)
#39
That's the Stearne Steering Committee for you. emotion-1.gif
Tier_Three
Friday, May 14, 2010 4:51:46 PM(UTC)
#40
ALTHOUGH, when I got to write about them in that chapter of Night Stalkers, I really tried to make the connections a lot subtler than in this book.
DavidT
Friday, May 14, 2010 5:41:05 PM(UTC)
#41
The only one thing that I did not like about the book.  I can handle vampires working in and trying to corrupt TFV and possibly TFV making deals with them to get another threat.  However to have vampires funding it and controlling it...  No that is just lame.



Though I do love djinns, how Cherion is controlled by aliens (for good or bad), the secret rebellion in the Malleous Maleficarum, and the compact merits.  All these things are wonderful and beautifully woven together.  It just adds more to the world of darkness.  So other than that one bad patch this book is a must buy for hunter fans.
Tier_Three
Friday, May 14, 2010 6:15:08 PM(UTC)
#42
"DavidT" wrote:
The only one thing that I did not like about the book.  I can handle vampires working in and trying to corrupt TFV and possibly TFV making deals with them to get another threat.  However to have vampires funding it and controlling it...  No that is just lame.


I left it wide open in Night Stalkers. All you needed to know was how occasionally agents of TF:V with Stearne certification would just step in and override the regional Director's orders regarding one particular haemophagic ENE or a named group of them. Sometimes, they'd interfere with the agents, and other times they'd provide specialist Advanced Armory for this one mission, reclaiming it on completion of the mission.



But specifying openly that they were run by vampires? I'd have preferred that to remain open. Maybe if they were in the habit of funnelling vampires to Padre Ambrogio or supplying The Cheiron Group with Vitae samples, yeah. That would have been fun. But it was enough for me to leave it wide open in Night Stalkers. This honestly closes the door on speculation.



"DavidT" wrote:
Though I do love djinns, how Cherion is controlled by aliens (for good or bad), the secret rebellion in the Malleous Maleficarum, and the compact merits.  All these things are wonderful and beautifully woven together.  It just adds more to the world of darkness.  So other than that one bad patch this book is a must buy for hunter fans.


Agreed.
Hades10
Friday, May 14, 2010 7:01:05 PM(UTC)
#43
Tough I think it would be interesting to make a chronicle about trying to take down the vampires controlling TF:V only to have the agents realise in the end that it's wasn't really a victory, and TF:V will be purer but weaker by that. Not as interesting as a chronicle envolving taking down the Board of Directors from Cheiron, but still...
Hades10
Friday, May 14, 2010 7:48:25 PM(UTC)
#44
By the way, how many vampires know about TF:V? It seens to me that most are clueless since in the Clan Books there are some mencion of various hunter groups, including TF:V and they all seemed to have know idea who the mysterious men in black where.

Hades10
Saturday, May 15, 2010 2:45:52 AM(UTC)
#45
Ok forget what I said about making an interesting chronicle about vampires funding TF:V.

I hated it, completely hated it, it is like in the Old Wod where vampires where behinde everyting. It could be done like Cheiron or Aegis Kai Doru, where there was a lot of possible truths. I was hoping to get some possible secret about TF:V that would be really cool and myterious, expecially reguarding their Advanced Armory. So I have one of my favorite conspiracies, if not the favorite with the most boring secret behind it. That's sad.
Tier_Three
Saturday, May 15, 2010 5:00:28 AM(UTC)
#46
"Hades10" wrote:
So I have one of my favorite conspiracies, if not the favorite with the most boring secret behind it. That's sad.


It could have been a lot worse.



They could have been funded by Gary Busey.
nerdwerds
Saturday, May 15, 2010 5:04:09 AM(UTC)
#47
Compacts & Conspiracies has more information about groups A, B and C and no information about group D and there is absolutely no way I can use this information about groups A, B and C in a way that relates to group D. I am totally not going to buy this waste of time and money.



Oh wait, ... that's right! I already bought it. DAMN YOU CHUCK WENDIG!



:-P
nerdwerds
Saturday, May 15, 2010 5:06:49 AM(UTC)
#48
Sorry for the double-posting.

I just didn't realize that somebody was actually dumb enough to start a thread called "Why I'm Not Going To Buy Compacts & Conspiracies"



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Hades10
Saturday, May 15, 2010 5:09:52 AM(UTC)
#49
Well I guess you are right. Tough vampires.....

So cliche, I expected more from the writers.

I will probably make something up about their funding anyway, but still...

I mean, conspiracies with their size they are probably prone to infiltration, in Nightstalkers I noticed that yeah, vampires had infiltrated TFV, but I was kind of hoping there was something more to TFV. It has one of the best concepts of the Conspiracies. It ties with the Lucifuge and Knights of St. George for me. Well I guess it would be interestinn to see what the Cainities would do if they found out the truth about TFV.
Hades10
Saturday, May 15, 2010 5:15:20 AM(UTC)
#50
Anyway except for this minor slide, I loved the book, and would really like to see Compacts and Conspiracies II, III, IV and so on... Oh God I love Hunter, best game ever! : )
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