Yozi-rific Fun with Chimerical Ascension

It appears that a large part of what hampers the Yozis' power is being cut off from the endless creative possibilities of the Wyld.  No Wyld, no uber-Shaping effects. 

So let's bring the Wyld to the Yozis!  Chimerical Ascension turns the area around the user into a Middlemarch for a scene, then into a Bordermarch for a few days.  There don't appear to be any explicit restrictions on where the Charm can be used.  So...what do you think the Yozis could do (if anything) with a temporary Wyld zone?

As far as I have read there is nothing to indicate the primordials where in any way limited by being out of the wyld if anything, as shaped beings, they are more suited to stability.

JiveX:

As far as I have read there is nothing to indicate the primordials where in any way limited by being out of the wyld if anything, as shaped beings, they are more suited to stability.

I think the idea is that the Wyld seems to be the go-to place when you need to create new and powerful things whole-cloth, as with Wyld-Shaping Technique.  I remember reading somewhere (it may have been here) that when the Infernals book refers to the Yozis not being able to create new Exalt shards due to their being broken, this "brokeness" refers to their inability to access the Wyld.

Well it's the go to place for exalts, not naturally beings prone to shaping. They need the wylds creative potential. Primordials create by their being, they are forces of genisis and shaping, they are natural sorcerers(which is powerful shaping itself) they don't need the wyld. The yozis are broken because their souls were vivisected during the war not because they can't get to the wyld. Autobot created his exalts without aces to such.

Well it's the go to place for exalts, not naturally beings prone to shaping. They need the wylds creative potential. Primordials create by their being, they are forces of genisis and shaping, they are natural sorcerers(which is powerful shaping itself) they don't need the wyld. The yozis are broken because their souls were vivisected during the war not because they can't get to the wyld. Autobot created his exalts without acces to such.

JiveX:

Well it's the go to place for exalts, not naturally beings prone to shaping. They need the wylds creative potential. Primordials create by their being, they are forces of genisis and shaping, they are natural sorcerers(which is powerful shaping itself) they don't need the wyld. The yozis are broken because their souls were vivisected during the war not because they can't get to the wyld. Autobot created his exalts without aces to such.

I don't think it's clear that the Primordials could create anything of value ex nihilo without access to the Wyld.  Do you think the Primordials could have crafted Creation out of Elsewhere?

The brokeness of the Yozi has nothing to do with their lack of access to the wyld and has everything to do with the oaths they took on their own names and slective pruning of souls they underwent at their surrender.  If she who lives in her name shaping charm is any indication they can shape reality and create things just fine inside malfeas.  They just don't have the power available to create exaltations.

Or we look to Autochtonians (god bless the writers for 1 book that had sooo much in the way of examples and scenarios).





When Autochton is floating in the Void? The poor bastard is sick.

When Autochton returns to Creation? The Wyld for miles around him to the South begins being shaped and the Fair Folk flee.  Creation itself is also partially reformatted to befit more mechanical and industrial concepts to better co-exist near Autochton.





Then you have the newer books, in which Oramus, the Dragon Beyond the World, Whose Dreams Shape the Wyldlands, the Eldest Primordial, who was such a terror that the Exalted feared even he could find a way to escape the prison of the Yozis - he was simply so close to the Wyld that he could come up with anything.  So they broke his wings and trapped him within himself and tied the bastard up.

So yeah.  The Yozis can reshape themselves a thousand times.  I can have 1,000 bricks and reshape those bricks into countless shapes. 
But the Wyld has raw Essence, raw motes, raw power - that's where I can get raw materials to make more bricks, and build my 1,000,000 brick building instead of my 1,000 brick hut.





As for the brokeness of the Yozis, it has been previously suggested by one of the writers that their being "broken" had to do with their component-souls - sheer numbers is not a good thing because it provides more room for internal disharmony.  Remember that Fetich that committed suicide to stop it's own Yozi?  Consider how easy it is now for a Celestial Sorceror to summon 2nd Circle Souls - and execute them - in order to weaken the 3rd Circle Soul.  You can systematically, piece by piece, target a Yozi.

Gaia and Autochton provide examples of what it might be to not be broken.  Even with multiple souls, Autochton has Clarity which affects his Alchemicals - it keeps you in touch with the Great Maker and his design.  His component-gods can "turn off" any Akuma of Autochton, Alchemicals eventually "evolve" into organ-cities inside a Primordial whose landmass is described as "organ-continents" and generally.....
......my impression is that instead of Urges, something like Clarity helps Autochton's Exalts (and possibly his Gods) to remain highly organized and in tune with the "group mentality".

The same I'd extrapolate to Gaia - perhaps we don't see much from her souls is because they simply don't have much to say.  They do their duties, their components (if any) do their duty, and there is not a huge difference in personality.





By contrast, you look at the Yozis and can see how their component-souls follow certain themes, but at times they are individually divided as to their goals.  Octavians own children (the deer) prefer their hunt over their father (so you could mislead them away from him if he ever so needed them, by releasing some convicts for them to hunt).  Gervesin's acquisition of "love" for Chiaroscuro could distract him from his duty to Ligier.  There are ways to distract them from the greater good, since the Yozis don't have a very clear one.  Even Ligier looks down at his own Primordial progenitor.






So.

Yeah.

You could throw some Wyld at them and see if they'll make something interesting.  Lots of their souls are great Crafters.

But their lack of internal harmony might be its undoing.  Gaia's elements work like our own, a complex system of element upon element cycling and niches.  Autochton's components all work like a giant machine contributing to the whole. 
But the Yozis are splintered.  I could get Ligier to craft me a wonder, but then I have to deal with the esoteric sacrifices he requires; and I have to hope Sondok doesn't overstep her duties in trying to "protect" the artifact from me, I might need to negotiate with Berengiere for threads needed in the process, I have to make sure Gervesin doesn't get himself killed in the meantime, etc. 

Getting a Primordial to do something might be comparable to a Machine that consistently and clear fulfills its function.

Getting a Yozi to do something might be comparable to a workplace - the manager wants sales to go up, but some of the employees believe we need to task more to get merchandise out (because how can you sell what customers dont see), while others simply focus on sales (and otherwise slack and lower moral amongst others), while others are trying to catch thieves (our sales numbers would be better if we didnt have to compensate for theft), while others are........ etc. 

Assuming Sacheverell's take on how the Yozis are broken is correct, do you think access to a Wyld zone would allow a Yozi to craft a new Exalt shard if it could get its lesser souls in line?

Brian888:

Assuming Sacheverell's take on how the Yozis are broken is correct, do you think access to a Wyld zone would allow a Yozi to craft a new Exalt shard if it could get its lesser souls in line?

Assumeing a Yozi could get its souls in line a Yozi could craft an Exaltation without haveing access to a Wyld Zone.

Hark:

Brian888:

Assuming Sacheverell's take on how the Yozis are broken is correct, do you think access to a Wyld zone would allow a Yozi to craft a new Exalt shard if it could get its lesser souls in line?

Assumeing a Yozi could get its souls in line a Yozi could craft an Exaltation without haveing access to a Wyld Zone.

If that's true, I wonder how long it will take before the GSPs start cranking out Exalt shards of their very own.

Brian888:

Hark:

Brian888:

Assuming Sacheverell's take on how the Yozis are broken is correct, do you think access to a Wyld zone would allow a Yozi to craft a new Exalt shard if it could get its lesser souls in line?

Assumeing a Yozi could get its souls in line a Yozi could craft an Exaltation without haveing access to a Wyld Zone.

If that's true, I wonder how long it will take before the GSPs start cranking out Exalt shards of their very own.

Well, the time needed to get essence 10...

Ophion:

Brian888:

If that's true, I wonder how long it will take before the GSPs start cranking out Exalt shards of their very own.

Well, the time needed to get essence 10...

It will take a little more than that. It wasn't until after the Primordial war and the Yozis had a few Akuma to study that they figured out how to make an Exaltation. That suggests that Exaltations are extremely complicated even by Essence 10 primordial crafting genius standards.

Brian888:

Assuming Sacheverell's take on how the Yozis are broken is correct, do you think access to a Wyld zone would allow a Yozi to craft a new Exalt shard if it could get its lesser souls in line?

If by "getting their lesser souls in line" you mean breaking the oaths of submission and reformating themselves back into primortials, compleatly undoing their yozihood, then yes. I doubt they would need access to a wyld zone to do so, as their wyld shaping equivanlent charm works just fine within their own bodies, in creation or the wyld.

Autochton's own Alchemical Exalts - in 1st Edition at least - were built from Magical Materials harvested from his own "flesh", with mortal souls processed through his own core.

Gaia's own Terrestrial Exalts were born from mortal flesh & souls, and endowed with Exaltation by her component souls.




As such, I fancy that they - as other Primordials - could likely do such a thing.  But the biggest problem is their oaths.  Autochton has some degree of internal disharmony, as seen in Gremlin Syndrome and his Blighted areas.  This does not prevent Alchemical Exalts from being built - it might only limit or skew them (in the FaFL scenario, Soulsteel Exalts suffered Gremlin syndrome, and one imagines that other Alchemicals were simply destroyed).  So - yeah.  They could likely make all sorts of wonders, but since they would make them "of their flesh", they would by definition be "demon" by the oaths.

To remain imprisoned, but create something, might require raw materials or Wyld wonders.  Amelion can build me a Manse in Creation, but I don't think it's Infernal by default, is it?