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[quote user="ShadowDragon8685"][quote user="Holden"][quote user="ShadowDragon8685"]I am quite absolutely certain that there was never any indication that the Form Charm stuff only worked for Terrestrials (you know... Being Celestial Martial Art styles) until this. Hence, it's a nerf - a big batter-up homerun. with a
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[quote user="Hand-of-Omega"]Ooookay...But is there anything at that level that wouldn't? I know you can't actually demonstrate what such a power might be like by writing one up for us, Holden, but could you suggest some general ideas or pitfalls to steer away from? Or is it just functionally impossible to do with the rules as written
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[quote user="Sojko"]You guys aren't even reading what I write, why do I bother ... [/quote] Looks like they are to me.
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[quote user="Odd_Canuck"][quote user="GogoPartDuex"]What I have said is that to a greater extent, an eclipse wont be able to touch on shape shifting much. Just some. [/quote] I'll largely agree with that, but I think Solars should always be poor second choices on the shapeshifting front to Lunars. I have no objection to the hearthstone
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[quote user="Aquillion"][quote user="GogoPartDuex"]I agree on the later. And I was somewhat saddened Glories didn't give us more Solar War charms. But I do think Leadership would help with the former. And I think somewhat it's built in that even with great Warfare Charms, Solars and Lunars are still going to be utilizing
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[quote user="Aquillion"][quote user="GogoPartDuex"] No, I'm saying shape shifting is an area where Lunars should have some niche protection against Eclipses and the creation of Knacks served it's purposes without completely shutting out Solars from some effects. For that matter, of what we have so far that cuts of Eclipse
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[quote user="TheDude"][quote user="Epimetheus"]That's not how the bond works. It's a one-way street. Just like how lunars can't use it to take advantage of their solar mate. The closest a solar can do is have nicer charms.[/quote] And Solars aren't supposed to learn Abyssal charms or Yozi charms for that matter. Yet
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[quote user="Aquillion"][quote user="GogoPartDuex"] Sure it is but there's always going to be power balance reasons to limit things.[/quote]Yes, but are you saying there's no balanced way an Eclipse could ever be allowed to learn shapeshifting... ever? I don't think that that's really true. And my sense is that it
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[quote user="GARdian"][quote user="GogoPartDuex"]How about something that works with Solars making athletic actions, either adding bonuses to stay hidden while doing so, or even a perfect stealth effect while doing so.[/quote] Okay, let's see... BLURRING SPEED DISAPPEARANCE Cost: 7m, Mins: Stealth 5, Essence 4 Type: Reflexive
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[quote user="Aquillion"][quote user="GogoPartDuex"] In this case I think they went in the right direction. It helps with the distinction between Lunars and Solars. I've seen a lot of games where even just being able to shapeshift into natural animals for fun and profit really helps set apart Lunars in a game and do stuff to complement