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Ink Monkeys, vol. 17: The Daystar (Part III)
Decorus
Monday, May 31, 2010 3:46:04 AM(UTC)
Dude they get to have daily, weekly, hourly, battles against Bannery Bu when she goes all nutz and tries to take over the Daystar. Bannery's issue is with Nysela coopting the Daystar, not with the Ignis Divine. Now the real question is Bannery one of Autobot's souls? And just what had Autobot been building?



I also love how the time of cascading years was not bored Solars utterly destroying Creation, but rather another Primordial breaking it...

Sojiko
Monday, May 31, 2010 3:48:17 AM(UTC)

"Decorus" wrote:
Now the real question is Bannery one of Autobot's souls?
No, it's a god.
"Decorus" wrote:
And just what had Autobot been building?
Plot hook! We even have clues for how to discover that.
"Decorus" wrote:

I also love how the time of cascading years was not bored Solars utterly destroying Creation, but rather another Primordial breaking it...
As Hatewheel said before, the Primordial attacked after the world broke, he isn't the cause.

(also it isn't stated as fact but just "what they say")

Plague of Hats
Monday, May 31, 2010 3:49:38 AM(UTC)

PDFs and so on.

Gonna fix the hell out of your debt, man.

ಠ__ಠ
ObsidianOverlord
Monday, May 31, 2010 3:52:06 AM(UTC)
Chirmirajen is awesome. He's Thomas the Tank Engine, only EXTREEEEEEEEME!



Also, Midnight Express = YES. I'm now thinking of Solar Circle Sorcery/Void Circle Necromancy spells that let you summon each of them respectively.

Epimetheus
Monday, May 31, 2010 3:53:55 AM(UTC)
"ObsidianOverlord" wrote:
Chirmirajen is awesome. He's Thomas the Tank Engine, only EXTREEEEEEEEME!



Also, Midnight Express = YES. I'm now thinking of Solar Circle Sorcery/Void Circle Necromancy spells that let you summon each of them respectively.




This wouldn't work. Not only because they are things that should be beyond summoning because they beat any transportation spell you have but because the deathlords would have already done it if it was possible.
Decorus
Monday, May 31, 2010 3:54:00 AM(UTC)
The fourth and final time the Aidenweiss was seen in Creation occurred
during the Time of Cascading Years, when it was said a war was sparked
by a Primordial attempting to punch through to Creation by way of the
temporal fracturing of reality.



Sounds more like Primordial broke creation by manipulating time. Also the sparked indicates it started the whole mess....
The Demented One
Monday, May 31, 2010 3:58:59 AM(UTC)

"Epimetheus" wrote:
This wouldn't work. Not only because they are things that should be beyond summoning because they beat any transportation spell you have but because the deathlords would have already done it if it was possible.
Sooo, if we're designing a spell to some them, what do we have to do?
Aquillion
Monday, May 31, 2010 4:00:32 AM(UTC)

"Epimetheus" wrote:
This wouldn't work. Not only because they are
things that should be beyond summoning because they beat any
transportation spell you have but because the deathlords would have
already done it if it was possible.
You could have a Batsignal-type spell, one that requests that the monorail or train arrive without compelling it (unless you have the key or whatever, in which case yeah, you can compel it.)



And then you could add, in the text of the spell, that they generally respect summons from the appropriate type of Exalted (Abyssals / Solars) as valid, provided they haven't been given a reason otherwise.  However, even if you can summon them, note that they'll normally only take you to the Sun / Mouth of Oblivion (unless you have a key.)



Deathlords aren't on the approved list.  And they prefer not to think about why.



"Decorus" wrote:
Dude they get to have daily, weekly, hourly,
battles against Bannery Bu when she goes all nutz and tries to take over
the Daystar. Bannery's issue is with Nysela coopting the Daystar, not
with the Ignis Divine.
I think Bannery Bu's only issue is that she need something to try her weapons out on, and Nysela is the only real opponent available.

Sojiko
Monday, May 31, 2010 4:02:06 AM(UTC)

Quote:
Indeed, a number of righteous dead appear to be completely transparent in the vicinity of their hearts.

[...]

This may take the form of uniquely expressive weapons and armor, or
perhaps a stylized mask the lumen carries on his person at all times.
Woot! Hollows! Or maybe Arrancars.



Quote:
Bodhisattvas begin to exude or manifest, as physical features, traits
of what would have been their iconic anima were they Exalted.
I find this very interesting in the light of the fact that those existed long before the Exalted were created.



What does Rahu looks like?

Quote:
even to this day, those righteous dead who are not lumina are capable of committing themselves to lethe, or
becoming a part of the Sun in the most absolute sense
Does that mean that a righteous dead from the Time of Glory can still chose to become a Lumen even now? Or just that people that die now can do it? Is there a time limit before deciding to dedicate oneself to the Sun?

Quote:
A jina is a lumen who has captured and reintegrated his po
But... what if the po has already been destroyed? Is it impossible to become a lumina, then?



I like how a powerful Lumen can have several statues in the Daystar so that he can quickly emerge in various parts should he be needed. And even better than that:
Quote:
a number of First Age tombs still bear slabs depicting wondrous
multihued beasts, and statues of warrior saints graven from pure flame
So that you can have a Lumen interact with the players even if they never even come close to the Daystar! Yeah!

Alectai
Monday, May 31, 2010 4:02:37 AM(UTC)

A spell that beckons said train (Be it the Chimirajen or the Midnight Train), but doesn't neccessarily force it to come along.



Have them respond to a Solar (And by the inverted symmetry, Abyssal) casting the spell, but for anyone else, it remains theoretical at best.



That's how I'd work it anyway

ObsidianOverlord
Monday, May 31, 2010 4:06:13 AM(UTC)
"The Demented One" wrote:
"Epimetheus" wrote:
This wouldn't work. Not only because they are things that should be beyond summoning because they beat any transportation spell you have but because the deathlords would have already done it if it was possible.

Sooo, if we're designing a spell to some them, what do we have to do?


Not be a deathlord for starters. Deathlords are explicitly excluded from getting to play with the Midnight Express. Doesn't mean an Abyssal necromancer couldn't do it. We don't know they explicitly beat any transportation spell, either.



I'm mostly imagining it as like just giving you a train ticket to take you on a single trip to somewhere you've been before either in Creation or the Underworld respectively, barring any quirks in their design that would prevent them from going somewhere or if they're doing something else. I wouldn't make it force them to come to you, just let them know that an important passenger would like a ride. I was mostly just inspired by the Harry Potter 'hold out your wand and the wizard bus will pick you up' thing.



And, of course, you have to deal with anyone else aboard the train at the time. Which could prove interesting.

Sojiko
Monday, May 31, 2010 4:10:17 AM(UTC)

"Aquillion" wrote:
You could have a Batsignal-type spell, one that requests that the monorail or train arrive without compelling it (unless you have the key or whatever, in which case yeah, you can compel it.)
That's what I was thinking. It would also allow the train to come nigh-instantly. And I'd include guidelines on who can expect the spell to succeed in the description. For example "No Deathlord, yes to Abyssals with a Resonance below (10-Essence)"

Sojiko
Monday, May 31, 2010 4:11:48 AM(UTC)

"Decorus" wrote:

Sounds more like Primordial broke creation by manipulating time. Also the sparked indicates it started the whole mess....


"hatewheel" wrote:
Also as a point of clarity, that part about the Time of Cascading Years
is not a theory about what caused the crisis, but rather something that
happened as a result of the crisis. What I am suggesting: there was a
Primordial—possibly sealed away by the other Primordials in the Time of
Glory, or perhaps simply noticing Creation for the first time due to 
temporal fracturing—who waged war on Creation during the Time of
Cascading Years.


Sojiko
Monday, May 31, 2010 4:15:03 AM(UTC)

Quote:
Here the Unconquered Sun would present
them with their po, conjured up from its vigil over their corpse in
Creation far below, and with it, a choice: to follow the path of
suffering or the path of grandeur.
The Sun is such a dick. He make it looks like a choice between the two when you can (and should) take both.

Epimetheus
Monday, May 31, 2010 4:16:31 AM(UTC)
The one thing I want to know about the midnight train is if it feels the need to slaughter things at random.

EarthScorpion
Monday, May 31, 2010 4:17:05 AM(UTC)

"Sojko" wrote:
That's what I was thinking. It would also allow the train to come nigh-instantly. And I'd include guidelines on who can expect the spell to succeed in the description. For example "No Deathlord, yes to Abyssals with a Resonance below (10-Essence)"




And then we can get them to crash into each other in a Shadowland, and see what happens!
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Wretch
Monday, May 31, 2010 4:30:29 AM(UTC)

"Epimetheus" wrote:
The one thing I want to know about the midnight train is if it feels the need to slaughter things at random.




Well it doesn't seem to be interested in riddles, so I think we're okay.

Sojiko
Monday, May 31, 2010 4:34:08 AM(UTC)

Now that I think about it: what does the caboose do in the Chirmirajen? It usually serves as living quarters and office for the crew, but there is no crew there.



Quote:
The solar monorail’s nose sports a golden headlight in a setting worked
to resemble a sunburst, set above a broad, smiling cloudcatcher.
Heh, a smiling couldcatcher. The Chirmirajen is henceforth known as Smiling Jim.



Quote:
a nameless Solar engineer builds a golden road into the heart of some unimaginable darkness in another
Wait, that wasn't there when Smiling Jim was built. Who put that there? And if he can unfold an arbitrary amount of cars, how does he multiply the paintings inside? He has a databank from where he is taking them? He make them up himself? Self generation of work of art from the raw chaos?



Quote:
a cord which blows its great shattering horn.
Choo-Choo!

 Of course ^___^

Quote:
The Yozis are accustomed to the comings and goings of the monorail, and
most have learned to simply ignore it, not wishing to invite the wrath
of the Daystar.
They have become jaded with Smiling Jim's antic and tendencies to jump in to save the day.
Quote:
Adorjan has been known to attempt to chase and attack the Chirmirajen
Now that would be a race worth seeing

Quote:
These barriers are normally transparent, but become opaque when the
Chirmirajen passes through the sun’s flames, preventing guests from
being blinded by the Daystar’s magnificent radiance.
Auto-shading windows? This thing is classy.





So... How fast is it, anyway? I have to admit that i didn't that piece of information, which happens to be somewhat relevant.

Hecaton
Monday, May 31, 2010 4:43:08 AM(UTC)

Honestly, great stuff.  The trains were awesome.

Maybe it's just me, but I'd expect the Aidenweiss to have some sort of Holy effect, even if it was just 'Does ag to CoD's.'
Inquisitive Englishman
Monday, May 31, 2010 5:05:32 AM(UTC)

"Sojko" wrote:
Quote:
Here the Unconquered Sun would present them with their po, conjured up from its vigil over their corpse in Creation far below, and with it, a choice: to follow the path of suffering or the path of grandeur.
The Sun is such a dick. He make it looks like a choice between the two when you can (and should) take both.






Also why I dislike it. Seems somebody got it into their heads to try and make a moral point about the nature of life after death. Most of my PCs would probably now want to smash the Daystar on general moral principle.
ObsidianOverlord
Monday, May 31, 2010 5:07:57 AM(UTC)
"Hecaton" wrote:
Honestly, great stuff.  The trains were awesome.



Maybe it's just me, but I'd expect the Aidenweiss to have some sort of Holy effect, even if it was just 'Does ag to CoD's.'


Honestly, I was kind of hoping for it to have some crazy stats, too. I get that it's really made for things beyond just hitting stuff with it, but I was hoping it'd make the wielder a force to be reckoned with himself along with summoning and commanding armies.

ObsidianOverlord
Monday, May 31, 2010 5:10:17 AM(UTC)
"Inquisitive Englishman" wrote:
"Sojko" wrote:
Quote:
Here the Unconquered Sun would present them with their po, conjured up from its vigil over their corpse in Creation far below, and with it, a choice: to follow the path of suffering or the path of grandeur.
The Sun is such a dick. He make it looks like a choice between the two when you can (and should) take both.






Also why I dislike it. Seems somebody got it into their heads to try and make a moral point about the nature of life after death. Most of my PCs would probably now want to smash the Daystar on general moral principle.

I think any ghost who's been awesome enough to get the Unconquered Sun's attention and become one of the righteous dead will have the temperance and humility to actually think for a second rather than just jump to grab at power like an asshole.

glamourweaver
Monday, May 31, 2010 5:12:28 AM(UTC)

I wonder how Merela felt not wielding Aidenweiss during the Aftershock War.  I mean she was probably more or less fine not wielding during the Primordial War as it was likely granted before she proved herself, beat a Primordial to death with her bare hands, bedded the Unconquered Sun, & was granted the Crown of Thunders; but as the Unconquered Sun's named "Queen of Creation" (as far as she was concerned that's what happened anyway) you'd think she'd see herself as the rightful recipiant of the sword & commander of the Deliberative forces during the Aftershock War.

Of course she might have recognized her own weaknesses as a commander (she's a warrior, not a strategist) and been glad for someone else to deal with the boring stuff while she wailed on Chungira & his souls.
Plague of Hats
Monday, May 31, 2010 5:12:56 AM(UTC)

"ObsidianOverlord" wrote:
Honestly, I was kind of hoping for it to have some crazy stats, too. I get that it's really made for things beyond just hitting stuff with it, but I was hoping it'd make the wielder a force to be reckoned with himself along with summoning and commanding armies.
I still haven't burnt enough offerings of thanks for it not being "a daiklave plus" as far as its swordy qualities go. That shit is rarely, if ever, good, and needs to generally just die in a fire.

Gonna fix the hell out of your debt, man.

ಠ__ಠ
ObsidianOverlord
Monday, May 31, 2010 5:16:22 AM(UTC)
"Plague of Hats" wrote:
"ObsidianOverlord" wrote:
Honestly, I was kind of hoping for it to have some crazy stats, too. I get that it's really made for things beyond just hitting stuff with it, but I was hoping it'd make the wielder a force to be reckoned with himself along with summoning and commanding armies.
I still haven't burnt enough offerings of thanks for it not being "a daiklave plus" as far as its swordy qualities go. That shit is rarely, if ever, good, and needs to generally just die in a fire.


Well, I think it'd suck if it was JUST a high-statted daiklave, too. Moreso than it does the other way around. But this is Exalted, and it's Artifact N/A. Couldn't it be both?



Also, I wasn't just thinking 'higher stats'. I was thinking unique powers that affect its personal combat capability BEYOND high stats.

Plague of Hats
Monday, May 31, 2010 5:33:08 AM(UTC)

"ObsidianOverlord" wrote:
But this is Exalted, and it's Artifact N/A. Couldn't it be both?
I'm of the opinion that slapping bigger numbers on weapons because they're special is generally poisonous to making them interesting.
"ObsidianOverlord" wrote:
Also, I wasn't just thinking 'higher stats'. I was thinking unique powers that affect its personal combat capability BEYOND high stats.
Powers which often still fall perilously close to the distracting, overused and often unnecessary category of "sword better."

Gonna fix the hell out of your debt, man.

ಠ__ಠ
ObsidianOverlord
Monday, May 31, 2010 5:46:56 AM(UTC)
"Plague of Hats" wrote:
I'm of the opinion that slapping bigger numbers on weapons because they're special is generally poisonous to making them interesting.
Aidenweiss was interesting before we had any stats for it whatsoever. Big numbers wouldn't change that.

"Plague of Hats" wrote:
Powers which often still fall perilously close to the distracting, overused and often unnecessary category of "sword better."
I think the Ink Monkeys are more than capable of avoiding that sort of pitfall.



But I guess having it this way prevents people from wanting it just for the stats and trying to steal it just because they want an awesome sword and think they can take Gardullis.

Plague of Hats
Monday, May 31, 2010 5:52:00 AM(UTC)

"ObsidianOverlord" wrote:
Aidenweiss was interesting before we had any stats for it whatsoever. Big numbers wouldn't change that.
I disagree.
"ObsidianOverlord" wrote:
I think the Ink Monkeys are more than capable of avoiding that sort of pitfall.
They certainly demonstrated that skill by not piling any onto this sword.
"ObsidianOverlord" wrote:
But I guess having it this way prevents people from wanting it just for the stats and trying to steal it just because they want an awesome sword and think they can take Gardullis.
None of what you just said there is bad or improbable, even if it doesn't do damage like a grand daiklave or blow up shadowlands.

Gonna fix the hell out of your debt, man.

ಠ__ಠ
glamourweaver
Monday, May 31, 2010 6:03:41 AM(UTC)

I'm am glad it's advantages aren't focuses on direct combat, but rather actually represent its purpose.  That said, a few extra things might be thematically appropriate, like it doing aggravated damage against Creatures of Darkness, since it does perpetuate the principle of Holy & all...

By the by, that principle of Holiness thing isn't mentioned under its powers.  I assume this means that should the Unconquered Sun die, but the Aidenweiss is being wielded by a worthy commander, Creatures of Darkness & Holy Charms still function as such & the wielder may name new beings Creatures of Darkness, or pardon beings?
ObsidianOverlord
Monday, May 31, 2010 6:09:44 AM(UTC)
"Plague of Hats" wrote:
I disagree.
Well, I disagree with your disagreement. Times infinity. So I win. :P

"Plague of Hats" wrote:
They certainly demonstrated that skill by not piling any onto this sword.
So, what, next they'll avoid making broken, uninteresting Charms by not writing any more Charms?

"Plague of Hats" wrote:
None of what you just said there is bad or improbable, even if it doesn't do damage like a grand daiklave or blow up shadowlands.
I didn't say stealing it was bad or improbably, it's just nobody uses mass combat so it'd just be a daiklave that gives you an awesome hearthstone and mote regen. And I guess let you summon armies who will try to kick your ass for stealing the sword in the first place. Unless it says somewhere the sword forces them to obey you.

glamourweaver
Monday, May 31, 2010 6:12:03 AM(UTC)

So about that third wielder of the Aidenweiss... did (s)he steal the sword?  I ask because no reason is mentioned for him/her to have been granted it before (s)he went on his/her mad quest to release Malfeas.

Any thoughts on when this would have been?  The fact that the Solar was bored with the safety of the First Age means probably pre-Thousand Struggles Era, or early Thousand Struggles Era at the latest (perhaps this was his or her own way of reacting to the death of Facet Raven).  Some time during the Thousand Reflections Era works well with the boredom.


glamourweaver
Monday, May 31, 2010 6:13:43 AM(UTC)

"ObsidianOverlord" wrote:
Unless it says somewhere the sword forces them to obey you.

*blink*  It does.  That's what Mandates of Subordination are.
Plague of Hats
Monday, May 31, 2010 6:14:04 AM(UTC)

"ObsidianOverlord" wrote:
"Plague of Hats" wrote:
They certainly demonstrated that skill by not piling any onto this sword.
So, what, next they'll avoid making broken, uninteresting Charms by not writing any more Charms?
LOLcontext!
Gonna fix the hell out of your debt, man.

ಠ__ಠ
ObsidianOverlord
Monday, May 31, 2010 6:15:06 AM(UTC)
"glamourweaver" wrote:
So about that third wielder of the Aidenweiss... did (s)he steal the sword?  I ask because no reason is mentioned for him/her to have been granted it before (s)he went on his/her mad quest to release Malfeas.



Any thoughts on when this would have been?  The fact that the Solar was bored with the safety of the First Age means probably pre-Thousand Struggles Era, or early Thousand Struggles Era at the latest (perhaps this was his or her own way of reacting to the death of Facet Raven).  Some time during the Thousand Reflections Era works well with the boredom.

The crazy solar wasn't the one who wielded the Aidenweiss, it was wielded AGAINST him.

Quote:
In this instance the original wielder of the Aidenweiss returned from
exile and resumed the mantle of General Supreme to put down the mad
Solar’s uprising.


glamourweaver
Monday, May 31, 2010 6:17:59 AM(UTC)

"ObsidianOverlord" wrote:
"glamourweaver" wrote:
So about that third wielder of the Aidenweiss... did (s)he steal the sword?  I ask because no reason is mentioned for him/her to have been granted it before (s)he went on his/her mad quest to release Malfeas.

Any thoughts on when this would have been?  The fact that the Solar was bored with the safety of the First Age means probably pre-Thousand Struggles Era, or early Thousand Struggles Era at the latest (perhaps this was his or her own way of reacting to the death of Facet Raven).  Some time during the Thousand Reflections Era works well with the boredom.
The crazy solar wasn't the one who wielded the Aidenweiss, it was wielded AGAINST him.
Quote:
In this instance the original wielder of the Aidenweiss returned fromexile and resumed the mantle of General Supreme to put down the madSolar’s uprising.


That makes much more sense, but is also less interesting than what I initially misunderstood.  I was imagining that the original General Supreme had to return for his exile & redeem himself by defeating a usurper who wielded the sword he once resisted laying down against him.
ObsidianOverlord
Monday, May 31, 2010 6:21:29 AM(UTC)
"glamourweaver" wrote:
*blink*  It does.  That's what Mandates of
Subordination are.


Ah. I wasn't sure, since they're not capitalized, so I thought that was just fluff, and it doesn't say anywhere else that they're commanded to do so. Of course, going by the spirit's mandate rules, they might be able to just spend Willpower to say no, then kill you and take the sword back.

"Plague of Hats" wrote:
"ObsidianOverlord" wrote:
"Plague of Hats" wrote:
They certainly demonstrated that skill by not piling any onto this sword.
So, what, next they'll avoid making broken, uninteresting Charms by not writing any more Charms?
LOLcontext!

Look, I'm not especially invested in wanting the Aidenweiss to have good stats. I'm just saying the Ink Monkeys COULD have without harming its narrative appeal. I don't care that they didn't, I just don't think that doing so would have somehow eaten everything awesome written about it up to this point and spit out a bunch of blandness.
Xerkics
Monday, May 31, 2010 6:58:16 AM(UTC)
Lumina kinda confuse me it says they do it because they can never achieve their dreams and aspirations otherwise but they will never get to achieve them anyway because all they get to do is sit on their bum and meditate in the daystar that sounds extremely lame. Staying as ghosts they would be less powerfull but with more potential to go out and do things than just hang around in the daystar boy that must be fun. Gilded Cage eh?



Also supposedly there is an entire host of them and they get to be more powerfull than terrestrial exalted ? Whats up with that no shards no awesome and yet ucs gets a private army thats fanaticallly loyal to  him. Plan B? Im starting to get a feeling that ucs was massively insecure , first celestial lions then this etc.

Verjigorm
Monday, May 31, 2010 7:25:13 AM(UTC)
Wow, thank you.

I really like the daystar and I'm eager to use it in my campaign.

But one question remains: What exactly ist the Gardullis?



AAAND: Do we get stats for it? XD



 the Gardullis,

CrownedSun
Monday, May 31, 2010 7:36:50 AM(UTC)

"Xerkics" wrote:
Lumina kinda confuse me it says they do it because they can never achieve their dreams and aspirations otherwise but they will never get to achieve them anyway because all they get to do is sit on their bum and meditate in the daystar that sounds extremely lame.




Hence the comment by the peanut gallery that their existence wasn't a happy shiny Exalted heaven. Though, really, it's more that they give up what they want in exchange for a greater purpose. Which is to become Gods of the Sun.
Xerkics
Monday, May 31, 2010 7:44:39 AM(UTC)
"CrownedSun" wrote:
"Xerkics" wrote:
Lumina kinda confuse me it says they do it because they can never achieve their dreams and aspirations otherwise but they will never get to achieve them anyway because all they get to do is sit on their bum and meditate in the daystar that sounds extremely lame.




Hence the comment by the peanut gallery that their existence wasn't a happy shiny Exalted heaven. Though, really, it's more that they give up what they want in exchange for a greater purpose. Which is to become Gods of the Sun.



Seems kinda anti climatic.

Sojiko
Monday, May 31, 2010 8:28:24 AM(UTC)

"Plague of Hats" wrote:
"ObsidianOverlord" wrote:
Honestly, I was kind of hoping for it to have some crazy stats, too. I get that it's really made for things beyond just hitting stuff with it, but I was hoping it'd make the wielder a force to be reckoned with himself along with summoning and commanding armies.
I still haven't burnt enough offerings of thanks for it not being "a daiklave plus" as far as its swordy qualities go. That shit is rarely, if ever, good, and needs to generally just die in a fire.
My sentiments exactly. I love how Exalted has no "sword of Infinity+1", and that raising the artifact level of a weapon rarely change its stats, and even when it does it's never significant. High level artifacts are not "swords but better!" they have reality shaking powers (like getting the Gardulis to run after you, that's funny).



You don't need to work to get your Daiklave+5 (with Axiomatic and Forstburst powers) to be correctly armed, a regular 2~3 dot artifact is about as good as it gets for raw combat stats.

SrGrvsaLot
Monday, May 31, 2010 8:37:02 AM(UTC)

"Xerkics" wrote:
Whats up with that no shards no awesome




What's up with it is that it is an incredibly stupid idea which turns the entire setting into a grotesque self-parody.
glamourweaver
Monday, May 31, 2010 8:37:52 AM(UTC)

"Verjigorm" wrote:
But one question remains: What exactly ist the Gardullis?

What do you mean what is it?  It's a Greater Elemental Dragon of Fire (like the Kukla is one of Earth).

Neph has apparently been working on stats for it that we will see eventually emotion-1.gif
Tenkage
Monday, May 31, 2010 8:42:19 AM(UTC)

"Sojko" wrote:
Unrelated: whenever I see "Bannery Bu" I instinctively read "Lu Bu", which does not fit the image at all. Well, I guess that if I ever need to get her to fight I'll have her stick change into an halberd.




I instantly thought of Majin Buu
Resident Exalted Forum Shining Answer

I miss Neph.
glamourweaver
Monday, May 31, 2010 8:43:50 AM(UTC)

"Xerkics" wrote:
Also supposedly there is an entire host of them and they get to be more powerfull than terrestrial exalted

It said they can be, which means more powerful than weak Terrestrial Exalted, which is not uncommon for Gods.

"Xerkics" wrote:
Whats up with that no shards no awesome and yet ucs gets a private army thats fanaticallly loyal to  him.


I don't know where you get the idea that non-Exalted can't be powerful.  Gods & Demons have been part of the game since the First Edition Core.  These are just a flavor of God that are made out of Ghosts.

"Xerkics" wrote:
Lumina kinda confuse me it says they do it because they can never achieve their dreams and aspirations otherwise but they will never get to achieve them anyway because all they get to do is sit on their bum and meditate in the daystar that sounds extremely lame. Staying as ghosts they would be less powerfull but with more potential to go out and do things than just hang around in the daystar boy that must be fun. Gilded Cage eh?


Exactly.  If there were an actually benevolent paradise for the righteous dead, so objectively good was rewarded & evil was punished, the entire setting would collapse on itself.  It runs completely counter to all of Exalted's themes.
glamourweaver
Monday, May 31, 2010 8:47:26 AM(UTC)

"SrGrvsaLot" wrote:
What's up with it is that it is an incredibly stupid idea which turns the entire setting into a grotesque self-parody.

How?  Judging the dead & relieving Creature of Darkness status for the righteous is exactly the type of thing the Unconquered Sun would do before he turned his back on Creation.  Weaponizing the righteous dead into Gods is exactly the type of moral ambiguity the setting is based upon.  Celestial Gods being more powerful than weak Terrestrial Exalted is a defacto reality of the setting.  Please tell me where the problem is.
Sojiko
Monday, May 31, 2010 8:50:24 AM(UTC)

"Xerkics" wrote:

Also supposedly there is an entire host of them and they get to be more powerfull than terrestrial exalted ? Whats up with that no shards no awesome and yet ucs gets a private army thats fanaticallly loyal to  him. Plan B? Im starting to get a feeling that ucs was massively insecure , first celestial lions then this etc.
Demons of the 2nd/3rd Circle, and high class celestial gods have always been stronger than a single Dragon-Blooded, that's not new.



Speaking of "not new", the Lumina existed looong before the Exalted were created.



"Verjigorm" wrote:

But one question remains: What exactly ist the Gardullis?
A Greater Elemental Dragon of Fire



who is contained inside the Sun




"glamourweaver" wrote:
I don't know where you get the idea that non-Exalted can't be
powerful.  Gods & Demons have been part of the game since the First
Edition Core.  These are just a flavor of God that are made out of
Ghosts.
And Sun. That's a pretty potent ingredient, too!



Speaking of powerful non exalted creatures: Primordials, behemoths, Elemental Dragons (Lesser and Greater), Linthas, Genesis Lords. Mountain Folks get to be better than DBs in some limited situations. Also, noble Rakshas (they can certainly be much more dangerous than some DBs).


glamourweaver
Monday, May 31, 2010 8:53:10 AM(UTC)

"Sojko" wrote:
who is contained inside the Sun

Lowercase sun.  Capitalized Sun refers to the Incarna.
DeathmatchFM
Monday, May 31, 2010 8:54:05 AM(UTC)

For the record, I had a daiklave that was a Manse in my game long ago.

Resident Forum Blunt Instrument.
Sojiko
Monday, May 31, 2010 8:54:35 AM(UTC)

You're right! I speak of Ignis Divine so much more often than the Daystar that it has become an habit of always capitalizing it. Thanks for the correction.

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