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Ink Monkeys, vol. 17: The Daystar (Part III)
Tenkage
Friday, June 04, 2010 6:06:52 AM(UTC)

"hatewheel" wrote:
Used to be that you could imagine the Yozis as having enough gravitas that you could describe them as uplifting their Green Sun Princes and treating them LIKE PRINCES.




So instead they treat them all like QUEENS!!!
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glamourweaver
Friday, June 04, 2010 6:10:01 AM(UTC)

"hatewheel" wrote:
"glamourweaver" wrote:
I agree with this in principle, but I think there's also a valid point in the argument that at some point of adding cool anachronisms that they stop being anachronisms & become the setting default & thus become less cool.

Personally I'd use the Chirmirajen as a monorail, but one that looks & seems to move like a golden serpent-dragon.  It is only up close that one realizes that the rather than a coiling body, there are separate golden cars moving along a sometimes swerving rail that coalesces out of a defined sun beam.


Just because a train looks like a dragon, doesn't make it any less a train. -shrug-

Oh I agree.  I should have been clearer - I'm fine with & quite like the anachronistic magitech with the Daystar.  I don't want it to be unlimited in the setting though as it should be cool & special where it still exists in the Age of Sorrows.
The Wizard of Oz
Friday, June 04, 2010 6:17:53 AM(UTC)
See, I don't mind magitech stuff, but it's generally far more fantastical than, well, a train (though it still tends to be, for me at least, duller than much of the rest of the artefacts). Even if it is a flying train. But that's a minor point.

The main thing is that magitech is mostly stuff from the high First Age. Or possibly Autocthon, though his has a very different aesthetic, more steampunk.

But the Daystar was, as I understand it, made by the Holy Tyrant, and he's never been associated with tech-type stuff. Malfeas as-is, has souls that love crafting, but it is wondrous magical blades and armour and elephants that grow out of rock and harps made of bone, etc.

Obviously now he's rather different than before, but even before he wasn't Autocthon.

If the Daystar had been made by Autocthon, then it'd be different, but it doesn't seem appropriate to me for something made by other Primordials.

Tenkage
Friday, June 04, 2010 6:29:23 AM(UTC)

"hatewheel" wrote:
People are always unreasonable, always. Especially when they feel entitled. But let me clarify—its not just a potential that's overwhelming. It is the expected and unprecedented coverage it will take to bring those sets into reality that is rightfully daunting, especially when people are seeing it take place in ultra slow motion via blog updates. Imagine if someone tried to watch someone else build a house of two million playing cards. The watching person would go bugshit.




Yeah, I feel you on this one. I think it has something to with our remarkably short lives, the utter powerless-ness it evokes, and the Ego we develop in being told we are made in some omnipotent cosmic being's image.
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Decorus
Friday, June 04, 2010 10:45:34 AM(UTC)
"The Wizard of Oz" wrote:
If the Daystar had been made by Autocthon, then it'd be different, but it doesn't seem appropriate to me for something made by other Primordials.

He just ripped apart one of Autobot's creations for parts to make the Daystar. The Holy Tyrant was not the only primordeal involved in the Daystar's creation...
Key
Friday, June 04, 2010 12:07:19 PM(UTC)

"Chestertonian" wrote:
Truthfully, I'm of the opinion that a good essay on how Green Sun Princes and Yozis relate is probably the thing that Ink Monkeys should make their #1 priority.



Yes.

Oh please, this - the first chapter of Infernals was horrible.

The Green Sun Princes deserves something better than that.


I don't want to play as someone who is raped by Ligier!

I don't want Ligier to deal with rape in the first place!





"Chestertonian" wrote:
Except that would be yet more Infernals content so they should probably label it as Errata Team Prime work.


Would that mean the first chapter of Infernals would be removed?



(And, how many updates have we had with non-MA Green Sun Princes stuff?

As in, no Infernal Monster, no Black Claw, no Akuma stuff...

How much of that have we had?)


Inugami
Friday, June 04, 2010 12:42:00 PM(UTC)

"Tenkage" wrote:
Yeah, I feel you on this one. I think it has something to with our remarkably short lives, the utter powerless-ness it evokes, and the Ego we develop in being told we are made in some omnipotent cosmic being's image.
Rather, I believe that Hellboy II hit the nail on the head when it said that humans are born with enormous holes in our hearts, which we desperately try to fill with anything and everything with any or no justification at all.
Sojiko
Saturday, June 05, 2010 9:07:02 AM(UTC)

"Ebon Dragon" wrote:
"Aquillion" wrote:
So you spend a few scenes rebuilding the intimacy.
You have no IC reason to do this, but yes, it is possible within the rules.
Apart from the fact that you remember how horribly they treated you, and you genuinely disapprove of it, which is the only justification needed.

thinker
Saturday, June 05, 2010 10:35:53 AM(UTC)

"Key" wrote:
(And, how many updates have we had with non-MA Green Sun Princes stuff?
As in, no Infernal Monster, no Black Claw, no Akuma stuff...
How much of that have we had?)

Several Daystar posts, some Solar Charms, an artifact for Alchemicals, a bunch of stuff on soulgems...
Adamant Siaka
Saturday, June 05, 2010 10:49:51 AM(UTC)

"Inugami" wrote:
Rather, I believe that Hellboy II hit the nail on the head when it said that humans are born with enormous holes in our hearts, which we desperately try to fill with anything and everything with any or no justification at all.




Humans do what people they trust say to do, and keep in mind what those authority figures say, because those who do did survived more often than not.  Of course, this tendency came with a few unfortunate "security backdoors".  The brain can also get caught in a loop; even for those people who don't have OCD as such, intrusive thoughts apparently still occur.
Hark
Monday, June 07, 2010 6:44:58 PM(UTC)

I'm curious will we get more informationon the Arches through which the Righteous Dead must pass? Particularly detail about what is in them and what happens to liveing being that enter them.



I ask because I am considering using them as sort of ultra deadly trial by which a CoD can earn a redemption and no longer be a CoD. I might also need these details soon, and I'm wondering if I should make my own stuff up or wait for more details.
Inugami
Monday, June 07, 2010 7:01:24 PM(UTC)

"Hark" wrote:
I'm curious will we get more informationon the Arches through which the Righteous Dead must pass?
I'm curious about how an entrant is supposed to know which door is the right one to take?



Two ways to see it:



"I am not so proud as to think myself righteous, so I must walk the path of the corrupt."



"I want to be righteous; I no longer wish to be corrupt -- so I will choose to forsake the path of the corrupt and walk the path of the righteous."





"Adamant Siaka" wrote:
"Inugami" wrote:
Rather, I believe that Hellboy II hit the nail on the head when it said that humans are born with enormous holes in our hearts, which we desperately try to fill with anything and everything with any or no justification at all.
Humans do what people they trust say to do
There doesn't necessarily have to be one reason why people do what they shouldn't do.



Still, I put "insatiable urge" ahead of "follow the leader" on the list of reasons human beings do bad things.
ObsidianOverlord
Monday, June 07, 2010 7:11:50 PM(UTC)
"Key" wrote:
(And, how many updates have we had with non-MA Green Sun Princes stuff?

As in, no Infernal Monster, no Black Claw, no Akuma stuff...

How much of that have we had?)
We've only had two articles that focused on Yozi Charms.

Adamant Siaka
Monday, June 07, 2010 7:34:19 PM(UTC)

"Inugami" wrote:
There doesn't necessarily have to be one reason why people do what they shouldn't do.



Still, I put "insatiable urge" ahead of "follow the leader" on the list of reasons human beings do bad things.




For those who get parts of their brain caught in an activity loop, yes.
Hand-of-Omega
Tuesday, June 08, 2010 11:05:41 AM(UTC)

General Question: If the Maidens had Autochthon automate the workings of the Loom of Fate, then could the Unconquered Sun have had him do the same with the Daystar (removing the need for Nysela to do it all herself)? Would this be possible if Auto returns (in a good mood, of course)?



Dex

"Exalted is in many ways like Call of Cthulhu. Both can be set in a largely negative world and both contain mind-numbing horrors whose gentlest sneeze could kill half of Malaysia. The difference is the scope of fear; humans fear Cthulhu, Cthulhu fears the Exalted."

--Overheard on an rpg.net forum
Key
Tuesday, June 08, 2010 11:14:12 AM(UTC)
"thinker" wrote:
Several Daystar posts, some Solar Charms, an artifact for Alchemicals, a bunch of stuff on soulgems...


I meant that people have commented on GSPs getting a lot of stuff.

I was interested in knowing how much GSP stuff we have gotten that isn't related to MA.



"ObsidianOverlord" wrote:
We've only had two articles that focused on Yozi Charms.


Ah, makes sense.

Thank you.
thinker
Tuesday, June 08, 2010 11:15:40 AM(UTC)

"Key" wrote:
I meant that people have commented on GSPs getting a lot of stuff.
I was interested in knowing how much GSP stuff we have gotten that isn't related to MA.

Doh.  Sorry.
Darmani
Wednesday, June 09, 2010 3:53:14 PM(UTC)

"The Wizard of Oz" wrote:
See, I don't mind magitech stuff, but it's generally far more fantastical than, well, a train (though it still tends to be, for me at least, duller than much of the rest of the artefacts). Even if it is a flying train. But that's a minor point.

The main thing is that magitech is mostly stuff from the high First Age. Or possibly Autocthon, though his has a very different aesthetic, more steampunk.

But the Daystar was, as I understand it, made by the Holy Tyrant, and he's never been associated with tech-type stuff. Malfeas as-is, has souls that love crafting, but it is wondrous magical blades and armour and elephants that grow out of rock and harps made of bone, etc.

Obviously now he's rather different than before, but even before he wasn't Autocthon.

If the Daystar had been made by Autocthon, then it'd be different, but it doesn't seem appropriate to me for something made by other Primordials.


Dammnit man we needed a Gaigaogar reference!  Okay not a fan of the train myself but honestly they make more sense, technically speaking, than sailboats on land and in the air or any other fantasy object that's in the game that I suspect you wouldn't object to with the cocunut effect and all.  A train is really just a set of wagons pulled by an engine and not animals on a prepared track.  Its oddly enough the "prepared track" that annoys me more than anything (and the fact with all the ready made capacity and need the First Age inexplicably never made some sort of rail system its out door plumbing, we KNOW they had the indoor kind, only with goods and servants instead of shit) with making trains figures of fantasy.  The fixedness of the vehicle is so characteristic to it and its identity (the railWAYS are usually the most interesting things about them afterall) that when you choose not to have it it ...seems wrong and off on some level more than say, a flying carpet.  I mean carpets go through the air already this is just better at it.  There isn't a sense of freedom or exploration the roads all constructed and constrained.  That's true of any road or path buts it different for one only usuable by constructed device that needs the road constructed which was why it was made.  Circular situation, circular technology, fixed paths.  So it doesn't light my fantastic in quite the same way.  Though I'm a bit more found of trains as comforting means of a journey between two points.  But I don't like them as a vehicle I want more autonomy.

Gold Medalin' self-surpassing world record breakin' blind archer. Solar enough ya think?
hatewheel
Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:11:55 PM(UTC)

Certain parts of the sun, having the traits of a gigantic aerial station, needed a monorail to traverse them. Sometimes ideas are so simple and right that they need no explanation. Not everything takes a deep meaning. Besides, it is never made clear who designed the Chirmirajen.
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Hand-of-Omega
Wednesday, June 09, 2010 4:20:18 PM(UTC)

Hatewheel, did anyone ever figure out the pattern to the "story" you've alluded to in the Synapses? Was it the Ages as the phases of the sun, as someone suggested?



Dex

"Exalted is in many ways like Call of Cthulhu. Both can be set in a largely negative world and both contain mind-numbing horrors whose gentlest sneeze could kill half of Malaysia. The difference is the scope of fear; humans fear Cthulhu, Cthulhu fears the Exalted."

--Overheard on an rpg.net forum
The Chills and One Last Joke
Wednesday, June 09, 2010 9:34:57 PM(UTC)

"hatewheel" wrote:
Certain parts of the sun, having the traits of a gigantic aerial station, needed a monorail to traverse them. Sometimes ideas are so simple and right that they need no explanation. Not everything takes a deep meaning. Besides, it is never made clear who designed the Chirmirajen.



Same guys who designed the Denliner maybe?


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hatewheel
Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:31:21 PM(UTC)

"Hand-of-Omega" wrote:
Hatewheel, did anyone ever figure out the pattern to the "story" you've alluded to in the Synapses? Was it the Ages as the phases of the sun, as someone suggested?



Dex




No, it wasn't. Illushia (sorry if I spelled that wrong) got closer than anyone. I think I explained it in a post but can't even remember anymore. lol
John Mørke
Exalted Developer
hatewheel
Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:32:23 PM(UTC)

"The Chills and One Last Joke" wrote:
Same guys who designed the Denliner maybe?




*Googles Denliner*



Wow that looks cool.



And no, Chirmy looks more like a train.
John Mørke
Exalted Developer
The Chills and One Last Joke
Wednesday, June 09, 2010 10:41:52 PM(UTC)

"hatewheel" wrote:
"The Chills and One Last Joke" wrote:
Same guys who designed the Denliner maybe?




*Googles Denliner*



Wow that looks cool.



And no, Chirmy looks more like a train.

Denliner is a Train!



..Technically it's a Japanese Bullet train, but a train nevertheless. Pretty interesting that when the Denliner isn't traveling through time it moves in basically the same way that Chirmirajen does, with the tracks suspended up in the air and all.
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